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re: Teams Claiming More National Championships Than They Should (Updated OP)
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:04 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:04 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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I saw an Aggie on a different board stating that A&M has 3 national championships. A poster questioned them, so I went back and looked myself. It appears that of their 3 National Championships they claim:
1919 - 2 out of 15 publications named them the National Champion
1927 - 1 out of 10 publications named them the National Champion
1939 - Seems legit because 12 out of 15 publications named them the National Champion
The problem with 1919 is that there weren't any selectors at that time.
In 1928, there were only 2 selectors - the Dickinson (which selected Illinois) and the Houlgate (which selected Notre Dame) systems.
1939 is indeed legit because they were selected by the AP.
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:10 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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Auburn - Claims 5 - Should Claim 2 (1957,2010)
This makes me doubt the rest of your list. Auburn "claims" two NC's.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:10 am to TxTiger82
i think ur right in my putting 1925 over 1917, but its the 3 other times that bama went out there before the poll era and i guess all together they ended up making a bigger impression. fair enough.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:11 am to RightHook
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pre wire service nattys are always a bit ambiguous, but bama has 4 undefeated teams that went to the rose bowl.
No. Bama was rarely if ever the first choice of the Rose Bowl. In one of those years, the top 5 teams all declined Rose Bowl invites and bama ended up as the participant as the 6th choice after Tulane.
Fact is the Rose Bowl was never a "defacto" national championship game as the top teams in the country often did not want the travel, time and expense commitments required to go play in it and declined offers while bama was always willing to accept an offer after other better teams said no.
As for AU, AU has 5 legit claims:
1. 1913 - Recognized by 3 selectors when there were not many. This is an iffy one, but 6 of AU's 8 opponents had winning records and AU blew out everyone except LSU (7-0).
2. 1957
3. 1983 - This one is a no-brainer and AU was selected NC by 19 selectors, many more than any other team including Miami (12).
4. 2004
5. 2010
That is 5 legit claims for AU.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:12 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Alabama has been rustling your jimmies for decades 
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:13 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Bama was rarely if ever the first choice of the Rose Bowl. In one of those years, the top 5 teams all declined Rose Bowl invites and bama ended up as the participant as the 6th choice after Tulane.
Fact is the Rose Bowl was never a "defacto" national championship game as the top teams in the country often did not want the travel, time and expense commitments required to go play in it and declined offers while bama was always willing to accept an offer after other better teams said no.
Also, link?
Come the frick on, man
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:14 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
You shouldn't let Bama get to you like this.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:14 am to TxTiger82
ill say this about gt, bobby dodd is one of my all time favorite coaches i still have a copy of "on football" and if anyone knows their history, they know that bear was true to his arkansas snake oil salesman roots when dealing with other teams. gt took the brunt of his bullshite in the 60s and ive always been an anti-bear, pro-dodd type of fan.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:17 am to RightHook
pre 1936 nattys will always be subjective, however, if u didnt win the ap after 1935, either ap or coaches after 1949 or the ap/bsc after 1997 then u have no national title to claim. no one cares about non wire service nattys in the poll era.
i think lsu rightly counts 3. all wire service or bcs national titles.
i think lsu rightly counts 3. all wire service or bcs national titles.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:18 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Auburn claims only 1957 and 2010.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:18 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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No. Bama was rarely if ever the first choice of the Rose Bowl. In one of those years, the top 5 teams all declined Rose Bowl invites and bama ended up as the participant as the 6th choice after Tulane.
Fact is the Rose Bowl was never a "defacto" national championship game as the top teams in the country often did not want the travel, time and expense commitments required to go play in it and declined offers while bama was always willing to accept an offer after other better teams said no.
As for AU, AU has 5 legit claims:
1. 1913 - Recognized by 3 selectors when there were not many. This is an iffy one, but 6 of AU's 8 opponents had winning records and AU blew out everyone except LSU (7-0).
2. 1957
3. 1983 - This one is a no-brainer and AU was selected NC by 19 selectors, many more than any other team including Miami (12).
4. 2004
5. 2010
That is 5 legit claims for AU.
1. There were 0 selectors in 1913.
3. Miami and Nebraska both got more selections. I have no idea where you got 19 from.
4. 0 selectors.
https://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2013/FBS.pdf (starts on page 74)
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:19 am to RightHook
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pre 1936 nattys will always be subjective, however, if u didnt win the ap after 1935, either ap or coaches after 1949 or the ap/bsc after 1997 then u have no national title to claim. no one cares about non wire service nattys in the poll era.
i think lsu rightly counts 3. all wire service or bcs national titles.
You're forgetting the FWAA (starting in 1954) and the NFF (starting in 1959).
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:19 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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No. Bama was rarely if ever the first choice of the Rose Bowl. In one of those years, the top 5 teams all declined Rose Bowl invites and bama ended up as the participant as the 6th choice after Tulane.
Fact is the Rose Bowl was never a "defacto" national championship game as the top teams in the country often did not want the travel, time and expense commitments required to go play in it and declined offers while bama was always willing to accept an offer after other better teams said no.
As for AU, AU has 5 legit claims:
1. 1913 - Recognized by 3 selectors when there were not many. This is an iffy one, but 6 of AU's 8 opponents had winning records and AU blew out everyone except LSU (7-0).
2. 1957
3. 1983 - This one is a no-brainer and AU was selected NC by 19 selectors, many more than any other team including Miami (12).
4. 2004
5. 2010
That is 5 legit claims for AU.
These threads always reveal the crazies and little bros. Never change Tiger n Miami, never change.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:20 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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Georgia - Claims 5
That's not true
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:21 am to Crowknowsbest
It's because of your ambiguous media guide.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:22 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
ur talking about legit then claim non wire service nattys in the poll era?
srsly. teams get screwed, but u either are or u arent.
bama was the 3rd or so choice in 1925, after that they were usually the first pick, later on, they decided to just play the b1G cause they didnt want bama coming to l.a. anymore. and i dont like bama, just trying to be objective, cant take away what theyve accomplished.
srsly. teams get screwed, but u either are or u arent.
bama was the 3rd or so choice in 1925, after that they were usually the first pick, later on, they decided to just play the b1G cause they didnt want bama coming to l.a. anymore. and i dont like bama, just trying to be objective, cant take away what theyve accomplished.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:24 am to RightHook
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bama was the 3rd or so choice in 1925, after that they were usually the first pick, later on, they decided to just play the b1G cause they didnt want bama coming to l.a. anymore. and i dont like bama, just trying to be objective, cant take away what theyve accomplished.
Again, how about some proof?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:24 am to Crowknowsbest
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That's not true
Your media guide is vague. It claims 2 in one part and 5 in another. In the year by year results, you guys list 5 national championships.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:25 am to Korin
no one cares about those polls. its like the ubo in boxing. the fwaa and nff polls arent the main media poll (ap, 1936) and arent voted by the coaches. may as well be the ncf or bilingsley. obsolete after 1935.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:25 am to Dr Van Nostrand
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Auburn claims only 1957 and 2010.
I found conflicting info, but will change it to claiming 2.
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