re: Spin-off thread on how many NC Bama actually has..

Not to mention, Notre Dame didn't even play in Bowl games before 1970 and yet they claim 5 of there 8 before they ever played in a Bowl. Michigan claims a helluva lot more than 2, even though those are there only poll awarded ones. Same for Ohio St.. they claim one that Ga won the poll in one year.

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Notre Dame didn't even play in Bowl games before 1970

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Are you sure about that statement?

Because the championship team is not determined by an NCAA championship or tournament event, it is sometimes unofficially referred to as a "mythical national championship". Since the NCAA, the sport's governing body, does not determine or declare a national champion in this field, determination of such has often engendered controversy. A championship team is independently declared by various individuals and organizations, often referred to as "selectors"

There was no official way to determine the NC back then.
The AP voted before the bowl games in 1964. AL # 1 and AR # 2.
AL went on to lose their bowl game to Texas
AR went on to win their bowl game against Nebraska.

Now, look at that objectively, and then look at what happened last year. LSU was # 1 before the bowl games and AL was # 2. AL beat LSU and won the national championship.

So, same scenario of 1964 applied to 2012 and LSU is your national champion.

Alabama is the greatest football program there ever was or will be.

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so....yall are still arguing it...and now you're arguing about who is or isn't insecure. Makes sense.

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I know you weren't replying to me, but just to clarify for my own purposes, I said that both sides were insecure.

I think everyone that follows college sports is insecure on some level. Good shite happens to other teams than yours more often than not... you do the math.

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Alabama won the national title in 1973 and 1964 according to the rules at the time. They changed the rules later, but that did not alter the fact that Alabama had won the national championships in those years.

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Oh, believe me, I understand. What is ridiculous is that it took the UPI 10 years to change the way they voted when the AP changed after the 64 season.

I understand that prior to 65, Bowl games weren't always taken completely serious by the teams participating in them. That all changed after the 1964 season. After the AP changed their vote for the National Champion till after the outcome of Bowls, everyone started taking them serious.

For the UPI to continue to vote prior to the bowl games is pure insanity. They should have changed with the AP.

It is pure foolishness for Bama to be claimed a legit NC after getting beat by Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl in 1973. For Bama to get the same right to claim a NC as Notre Dame does for that year, is beyond absurd.

All that matters to me is we have a bunch and it really bothers Auburn fans that we do. The number is pretty insignificant to me.


Insert "deal with it" gif.

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So with that link is that your way of trying to debunk my statement that the NCAA does not recognize football titles?
Because I can tell you with the utmost certainty they dont

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Incorrect.
Now, you'd be correct if you said that the NCAA doesn't award a national title. You said recognize though.

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Not even close. You're talking about 2 different eras of CFB

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Exactly. Which leads me to believe that he didn't read the link I provided because it does a very good job of explaining the folly of that logic: The MNC: Examining the Dual Poll Era

"Alabama obviously claims all titles awarded by the AP and coaches' polls from the dual-poll era, as do all 27 schools who received such a title"

"The point, rather, is simply that you could debate the titles Alabama or any other school claims from prior to 1950 if you want, since the schools themselves do have some discretion in choosing which titles to claim from this era. The point, furthermore, is to distinguish this leeway in discretion that exists in years prior to 1950 from the dual-poll period we are discussing in this article, for which it was the two major polls and their rules of the day--not the schools--that have decided the 71 dual-poll era national champions"

"But the bottom line is that for these 60 years, there has a system in place with well-established rules to crown a national champion. Rules change, but championships last forever."

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Now, you'd be correct if you said that the NCAA doesn't award a national title. You said recognize though.

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They don't recognize a champion, all they do is acknowledge polls who have awarded.