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re: SOS of the Big 5 + A&M Since Expansion
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:58 am to meansonny
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:58 am to meansonny
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And yes... Arkie and Ole miss are the bottom of the barrel in the west (and sometimes the entire league).
But this is the problem in a nutshell.
Arkansas and Ole Miss are definitely the bottom of the division, yet *BOTH* of these programs have a Top 10 finish during this decade despite playing in the difficult SEC West during the Saban era.
The bottom of the West is still capable of producing great teams.
The bottom two programs of the East have exactly one Top 10 finish between the two of them during the past 65+ years of football.
THIS is what I'm talking about.
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:06 pm to BHMKyle
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Arkansas and Ole Miss are definitely the bottom of the division, yet *BOTH* of these programs have a Top 10 finish during this decade despite playing in the difficult SEC West during the Saban era.
The bottom of the West is still capable of producing great teams.
The bottom two programs of the East have exactly one Top 10 finish between the two of them during the past 65+ years of football.
THIS is what I'm talking about.
Good points.
Top 25 Finishes Since 1992
Ole Miss - 9
Mississippi St - 7
Arkansas - 5
Vanderbilt - 2
Kentucky - 1
Top 15 Finishes Since 1992
Arkansas - 3
Ole Miss - 3
Mississippi St - 3
Kentucky - 1
Vanderbilt - 0
Top 10 Finishes Since 1992
Arkansas - 1
Ole Miss - 1
Kentucky - 0
Mississippi St - 0
Vanderbilt - 0
Bowl Games since 1992
Arkansas - 15
Mississippi St - 15
Ole Miss - 13
Kentucky - 11
Vanderbilt - 6
Seasons with a win % of .750 or >
Arkansas - 3
Mississippi St - 2
Ole Miss - 2
Kentucky - 1
Vanderbilt - 0
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:It is a good point and it supports Kyle's position.
Good points.
But until such time as the Athletic Directors & Presidents of this conference give a shite about it, all this off season talk with charts & stats are just killing time till the season kicks off.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:19 pm to RT1941
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But until such time as the Athletic Directors & Presidents of this conference give a shite about it, all this off season talk with charts & stats are just killing time till the season kicks off.
Yep - and they don't
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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From 1970 (and before) to 1990 we played at least 1, and a lot of times 2, OOC games against teams that finished inside the Top 25.
1972, 73 and 75 disagree with your statement - as per your own list.
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And the majority of years we had a blueblood (USC, Penn State, Notre Dame) on the schedule. And some years we had 2 of those on the schedule.
None of that is very unusual, LSU did pretty much the same. Notre Dame (6 games vs LSU from 19070-1990), Nebraska, USC, FSU, OSU...
Between 1970 and 1999, LSU played OOC opponents finished ranked in the top TEN, 15 times (6 in the 70s, 4 in the 80s, and 5 in the 90s.) Only one of those was Notre Dame, whom LSU played 9 times in that period.
Others of note: USC, Nebraska, FSU, tOSU.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Dumb question... but what purpose does going back to 1992 expansion serve other than to include 2 teams in the data?
I'm not arguing that the data is poor. More data is a good thing.
But it isn't relevant.
2 more teams joined in 2012. Tennessee is a shell of the team that they were in the 90s.
Florida is a shell of the team that they were in the 90s.
UGA has cycled from bad in the 90s to good in the early 2000s to average for a decade and now back to good.
If you go to 1992... why not go to integration? Or 1937?
My point is that they aren't relevant to today. This year. Or the next 5 years. Kinda pointless
Cheers
I'm not arguing that the data is poor. More data is a good thing.
But it isn't relevant.
2 more teams joined in 2012. Tennessee is a shell of the team that they were in the 90s.
Florida is a shell of the team that they were in the 90s.
UGA has cycled from bad in the 90s to good in the early 2000s to average for a decade and now back to good.
If you go to 1992... why not go to integration? Or 1937?
My point is that they aren't relevant to today. This year. Or the next 5 years. Kinda pointless
Cheers
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:47 pm to meansonny
1970. SEC integration. 1975 is good too (scholarship limits).
Posted on 6/26/19 at 12:55 pm to RT1941
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But until such time as the Athletic Directors & Presidents of this conference give a shite about it, all this off season talk with charts & stats are just killing time till the season kicks off.
WTF do you think the point of this thread is?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:16 pm to meansonny
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Dumb question... but what purpose does going back to 1992 expansion serve other than to include 2 teams in the data?
I'm not arguing that the data is poor. More data is a good thing.
But it isn't relevant.
Because it's when division play started and is pretty universally accepted as the beginning of a new era.
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My point is that they aren't relevant to today. This year. Or the next 5 years. Kinda pointless
The point is Arkansas and Ole Miss have been relevant in the past. The recent past (2014, 2011) and the medium recent past and the long ago past.
Kentucky and Vanderbilt have almost never been relevant. Arkansas, Ole Miss and State have years when they are Top 10-20 caliber teams. Kentucky and Vanderbilt have had 1 or 2 combined in 30 years.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:20 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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None of that is very unusual, LSU did pretty much the same.
Nobody was saying Alabama played some extremely difficult OOC schedule for those years. The point was that you said Alabama was known for playing "weak" OOC schedules and now you are saying "LSU pretty much did the same".
So.......both are weak?
From 1970 to 1990 Alabama played
Penn State : 10
Notre Dame : 4
Southern Cal : 4
Nebraska : 2
Washington : 2
Ohio State : 1
23 games against those teams in a 21 year period plus about 25 other games vs current P5 teams (Maryland, Baylor, Missouri, Virginia Tech, Miami, Clemson, Rutgers, Boston College, etc). To say that Alabama played weak OOC schedules is just kind of nuts.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:29 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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But until such time as the Athletic Directors & Presidents of this conference give a shite about it, all this off season talk with charts & stats are just killing time till the season kicks off.
quote:That there are quite a few "fans" that give a shite about this. And all the stats and charts won't move the needle one way or the other relative to the SEC actually making a change.
WTF do you think the point of this thread is?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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So.......both are weak?
Actually, LSU had more in the top ten, you listed top 25. I was more referring to scheduling the blue-bloods OOC. Not to mention that LSU also had to play Alabama every year, which meant that some years, LSU played teams ranked #1 at game time more than once in a season.
But then, this thread isn't about LSU.
Seeing as how Alabama couldn't schedule themselves, you'd think they'd make it up by scheduling tougher OOC teams - but they don't.
And I'm not the one who said, "til last year Alabama always played (no, not just "scheduled") a great OOC opponent to start the year."
I'm also not the one who said, "From 1970 (and before) to 1990 we played at least 1, and a lot of times 2, OOC games against teams that finished inside the Top 25." ...and then provided the data to prove the statement false.
Face it, for such a powerhouse program, Alabama's scheduling has pretty much sucked balls - at least since 1990.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Face it, for such a powerhouse program, Alabama's scheduling has pretty much sucked balls - at least since 1990.
Our scheduling sucked balls from 1991-1999 and 2004-2006.
Our scheduling from 2007 to 2032 is basically a whose who of college football programs.
Florida State (2x)
Notre Dame (2x)
Oklahoma (2x)
Penn State (2x)
Southern Cal (2x)
Texas (2x)
West Virginia (2x)
Virginia Tech (2x)
Clemson
Miami
Michigan
Wisconsin
Here are the non-SEC schools that have won a national title in the last 20 years (1999-2018) :
- Florida State (2x) (Bama 2007, 2017)
- Oklahoma (Bama 2003, 2032, 2033)
- Miami (Bama 2021)
- Ohio State (2x) (N/A)
- USC (2x) (Bama 2016, 2020)
- Texas (Bama 2022, 2023)
- Clemson (2x) (Bama 2008)
Alabama will have played a regular season game against every single one of them except for Ohio State between 2003-2033.
Unless you think there is some grand conspiracy and wizardy that allows us to figure out when certain teams will go 8-4 then I'm not sure what else you want there.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Gzzzz. Isn't statistics for losers?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:55 pm to RT1941
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That there are quite a few "fans" that give a shite about this. And all the stats and charts won't move the needle one way or the other relative to the SEC actually making a change.
So again, what do you think the point of the thread is? Nobody here thinks this thread is going to move the needle. It’s a message board and an off season discussion thread.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Unless you think there is some grand conspiracy and wizardy that allows us to figure out when certain teams will go 8-4 then I'm not sure what else you want there.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:57 pm to RT1941
No surprise this thread was hijacked by LSU and Aubies crying about yet another supposed Bama conspiracy.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Our scheduling sucked balls from 1991-1999 and 2004-2006.
You forgot 2000, 2001, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2017, 2018 and 2019.
...oh, and 1970 (6-4-1 USC?), 1971 (6-4-1 USC, again?), 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, and 1979.
Basically, with a few exceptions, Alabama OOC scheduling didn't suck in the 80s. That's about it.
But I see you've edited out your 1970-1989 OOCs.
LSU's 1970-89 OOC highlights, ftr:
FSU - 6x
Miami - 1x
Nebraska - 2x
Notre Dame - 6x
tOSU - 2x
USC - 2x
Throw in A&M 5 times in the 80s when they were at their height, and miscellaneous 8-4 UW (1983), 10-2 Colorado (1971), 8-3 Pacific (1972)...
Hell, in 1979 alone, LSU played USC, FSU and Alabama who all finished with a combined 33-1-1 record. Or 1988 when LSU played A&M, tOSU and Miami OOC.
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Unless you think there is some grand conspiracy and wizardy that allows us to figure out when certain teams will go 8-4
Why are you so defensive? No one's blaming Alabama for having weak OOC scheduling for the past 45 years, maybe it's just coincidence.
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I'm not sure what else you want there.
I'm not wanting anything, I just feel sorry for Alabama fans that have to wait until November every year before they play someone with a pulse.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:27 pm to Poncho and Lefty
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Gzzzz. Isn't statistics for losers?
Ask, SOG.
...or Korin.
...or Kyle.
BTW, "Statistics" is plural. "Aren't statistics for losers." While I don't know about statistics being for losers, internet grammar lessons certainly are.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:28 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You forgot 2000, 2001
We played UCLA home and home
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2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2017, 2018
Florida St, Clemson, Penn St, Penn St, Michigan, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Florida St, Louisville
Yea, not gonna apologize for any of those.
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.oh, and 1970 (6-4-1 USC?), 1971 (6-4-1 USC, again?)
(A) You are shaming us for playing Southern Cal in the 1970s? You serious right now?
(B)
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1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, and 1979.
- 1974 played a road game against a top 15 team.
- 1975 played 4 games against big conference teams
- 1979 played a home game against a top 15 team.
Again, your argument is ridiculous.
If someone said "Alabama historically has played the hardest schedule of anybody"? You'd be making a decent argument.
Your argument is "Alabama has always played weak OOC schedules". That's just not anywhere close to accurate.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 2:39 pm
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