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re: Somebody please help me to understand why this is a fact.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:23 am to Shankapotamous
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:23 am to Shankapotamous
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I can't decide if you are doubly as a big a dickhead as CNite are only twice as big.
Are you, by chance, from Italy?
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Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:31 am to coachcrisp
Thank God they didn't let Saban coach em in the NFL.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:38 am to WG_Dawg
quote:Even though your second part has much substance, the above part is a load of horse shite!
1) Saban is getting the elite of the elite 5 stars. Najee Harris for instance was a "5 star" but was also the consensus #1 RB and a top 5 overall player nationally, he was essentially a can't miss. Khalan Laborn was also a "5 star" RB in that class...who? I know. Guy went to FSU, didn't do shite, transferred, and has never been heard from again. Both were 5 stars but one was the top of the top of the 5 stars while the other just barely made it instead of being a high 4*. So basically, not all 5 stars are the same and saban is getting the ones that are practically guaranteed high NFL picks
5* kids coming out of high school are by no means going to line up the same coming out of college as they did going in! There's not that much difference in talent to begin with. Hell, most scouting services can't agree with each other when they DO update their picks!
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:00 am to coachcrisp
Is there a stat on NFL production for all those first rounders? Whomever quoted Jim Haslett made a point that he didn’t mean to make. The NFL draft isn’t an exact science and it is possible that a few of those first rounder 5*’s are getting drafted on Sabans rep before another equal or better 5* player from another school. It wouldn’t take many draft transactions like that to make up for the percentage difference between schools in that “study”
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:19 am to bgtiger
quote:I'm the one who quoted Haslett. He's an acquaintance of mine and we've talking about the draft a number of times. First of all, he doesn't particularly like Saban (similar personalities, I think), but he said that Saban's always been honest with them about a kid. They not only have more film on players than you can watch, but they hold extensive interviews with just the player in the room, and their people. They'll even go to a kid's hometown and check on them, if there is any rumor that concerns them.
Is there a stat on NFL production for all those first rounders? Whomever quoted Jim Haslett made a point that he didn’t mean to make. The NFL draft isn’t an exact science and it is possible that a few of those first rounder 5*’s are getting drafted on Sabans rep before another equal or better 5* player from another school. It wouldn’t take many draft transactions like that to make up for the percentage difference between schools in that “study”
They know that player evaluation isn't "an exact science",but they also know that their reputation, along with their arse (job) is on the line when they select a player.
The bottom line to all this is the NFL community doesn't have to like a coach/team that a player comes from, but they damn sure know the teams that train/coach them up the best....and the coaches they can trust.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:32 am to coachcrisp
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They not only have more film on players than you can watch, but they hold extensive interviews with just the player in the room, and their people. They'll even go to a kid's hometown and check on them, if there is any rumor that concerns them
Yeah man, I know that. There are still plenty of busts and guys who are drafted in the first round of every draft that should not have.
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The bottom line to all this is the NFL community doesn't have to like a coach/team that a player comes from, but they damn sure know the teams that train/coach them up the best....and the coaches they can trust.
So we are in agreement. They will possibly take a guy in the first round from Bama over a guy who is equal or better because of Sabans reputation.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:51 am to bgtiger
quote:Your conclusion is correct, but your reasoning is wrong. The scouts are sold on the process, not the coach. If you were looking for a manager to hire and leadership ability was the most important trait you were looking for, who would you hire between two seemingly equal applicants, if one had just graduated from Mississippi or one who'd just graduated from the U.S. Military Academy?
So we are in agreement. They will possibly take a guy in the first round from Bama over a guy who is equal or better because of Sabans reputation.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:53 am to coachcrisp
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Your conclusion is correct, but your reasoning is wrong. The scouts are sold on the process, not the coach
Oh lord, ok
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:59 am to coachcrisp
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A five-star who picks Alabama in the Saban era is more than doubly likely on average to be a first-round pick
REC doing work
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:00 am to dstone12
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as long as you can tell us how beating teams like Kentucky and LSU sand 15+ players could put you in the top tier.
Hey, if you want to compare LSU to Northwestern St, I'm not going to stop you.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:04 am to coachcrisp
Saban can coach talent and the talent inflates his abilities.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:33 am to lsusteve1
quote:The major aspect of Saban's abilities is recognizing, recruiting, AND developing that talent in a structured, procise PROCESS.
Saban can coach talent and the talent inflates his abilities.
...and that's what he was hired to do.....better than anybody else!
Posted on 6/12/21 at 3:10 pm to 3down10
quote:hey if you want to compare asterisk Alabama to best season of all time LSU, I’m not going to stop laughing at you.
Hey, if you want to compare LSU to Northwestern St, I'm not going to stop you
Posted on 6/12/21 at 4:09 pm to dstone12
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hey if you want to compare asterisk Alabama to best season of all time LSU, I’m not going to stop laughing at you.
3, 5, 7 is why LSU isn't the greatest of the college football era, much less the greatest of all time.
Only LSU fans make these claims.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 4:14 pm to 3down10
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Only LSU fans make these claims.
No reason to lie
Posted on 6/12/21 at 4:19 pm to SidewalkTiger
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No reason to lie
I'm not the one claiming a team that had a 3 point win, a 5 point win and a 7 point win is the GOAT. Hell you almost lost to a team that didn't even finish ranked in the coaches poll.
You had a shitty defense and that showed in the margins of victory. I wouldn't be surprised if 2019 LSU gave up more points than any NC in the history of the sport. I can't think of a national championship team that had a defense that bad.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 4:38 pm to 3down10
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I'm not the one claiming a team that had a 3 point win, a 5 point win and a 7 point win is the GOAT. Hell you almost lost to a team that didn't even finish ranked in the coaches poll.
You had a shitty defense and that showed in the margins of victory. I wouldn't be surprised if 2019 LSU gave up more points than any NC in the history of the sport. I can't think of a national championship team that had a defense that bad.
That's cool and all but there's still no reason to lie by saying LSU fans were the only ones claiming 2019 was the GOAT team or had the GOAT season.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 5:17 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:plenty of reason for him to lie.
No reason to lie
He lies about being a huge Nebraska fan since before 2019.
Just all a sudd’n started hardleggin the huskers at about 12:15am on Jan 14 2020 whe he realized that “damn, this may be the best team of all time”.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 5:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
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That's cool and all but there's still no reason to lie by saying LSU fans were the only ones claiming 2019 was the GOAT team or had the GOAT season.
I don't count fluff clickbait articles. You can find those for Clemson the year before, hell even for Alabama the year before until they lost to Clemson, and you can find them for 2020 Alabama.
But when real people talk about the topic, they are still going to give the nod to 1995 Nebraska, and the MoV will likely be mentioned as it shows how much they dominated everyone else.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 6/12/21 at 5:43 pm to coachcrisp
Cool story. 2020 NFL All Pro teams.
LSU 5
Bama 3
LSU 5
Bama 3
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