re: So the Tide folk were saying Saturday night if DeBoer didn't make the playoff this year

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"So the Tide folk were saying"

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What Tide folk?
Are you so simple minded as to take what some radio clowns call in and say, or what some sportswriter comes up with for attention, as a fact?
If so, you'll fit right in with the certified "Minions" club.

It's hard to follow a legend doesnt matter who you are.

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I'm not trolling

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Not very well anyway. I'll give William Taylor some credit, at least he'll throw in some gifs & memes. Your pretentious diatribes are beyond stale.

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Look at Alabama football history. Very few coaches have been allowed to stay past 3 years with no hardware to show for it

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Why do people here just make things up? Do you really believe that? Surely not if you have actually followed Alabama prior to Saban.

The last Alabama coach to be fired after 3 seasons was Ears Whitworth in 1957 after going a combined 4-24-2.

Since then:

Bear Bryant - 25 seasons, retired

Ray Perkins - 4 seasons, no titles, left for NFL head coaching job

Bill Curry - 3 seasons, 1 SEC title, left to be Kentucky coach

Gene Stallings - 7 seasons, retired

Mike Dubose - 4 seasons, 1 SEC title, 24-23, fired

Dennis Francione - 2 seasons, left for TAM

Mike Shula - 4 seasons, 26-24, fired

Nick Saban - 17 seasons, retired

Considering that Dubose and Shula each got 4 seasons, Kalen Deboer will get at least 4 seasons. Probably more.

In fact, the only three coaches fired outright in the past 70 years had records of 4-24-2, 24-23, and 26-24.

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Look at Alabama football history. Very few coaches have been allowed to stay past 3 years with no hardware to show for it.

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Umm, not a single coach Alabama has fired coached for only 3 years. DuBose coached 4, Shula coached 4.

Ray Perkins went back to the NFL, had a 10 win season his final year.

Curry left for Kentucky, had a 10 win season his final year.

Fran left for A&M, had a 10 win season his final year.

I find it hard to find a coach fired in 3 years because you gotta go all the way back to Ears in 1957 to find one.

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LSU hired and fired Kelly because your AD is stupid and acts like a fan. If Alabama starts doing that crap, then we'll pay the price too.

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Kelly’s hire on paper was legit. He was fired because he was mailing it in.

You say if Alabama starts doing that crap, then you’ll pay the price too.

You follow this statement with “next year he will be graded harder.”

I take that to mean that if he doesn’t perform, he will be on the hot seat. If this is the case, is Alabama now doing stupid shite like you purport LSU to be doing.

Additionally, was LSU’s termination of Kelly stupid if he was dragging the program down? Is the hiring of Kiffin stupid if he turns the program around as most pundits believe he will do?

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

That Saban roster everyone like to throw out when Deboer came.. lost I think 26 players to the portal.. JS

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Kelly’s hire on paper was legit.

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No it wasn't. It was easy as frick to predict what was going to happen. Go back and read my old posts from that time if you want.

The man was known for being a guy who couldn't win big games and his time at Notre Dame was mostly the result of easy schedules as their traditional rivalries like USC and such have been bad.

LSU fans acted like he did great things to Notre Dame without any regards to SoS differences between the coaches before him and his own schedules. Said I was melting for pointing it out, and said that even bad coaches like Les and Coach O were able to win NC, so Brian Kelly was a no brainer.

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You say if Alabama starts doing that crap, then you’ll pay the price too.

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Yeah, if Alabama AD starts acting like a fan, bad things will happen. Boosters having control and running things is NOT GOOD. Look at Florida. Hires and fires a coach every 3 years, maybe 4 if they are lucky. Teams are constantly in transition because they fire their coach over and over with the false assumption that "the next guy must be better".

And SoS is a HUGE factor. Alabama just played the #4 toughest schedule in the entire country this year. You know what record most teams have with these kinds of schedules?

#1 SoS - 4-8
#2 SoS - 2-10
#3 SoS - 3-9
#4 SoS - 10-3(Alabama)
#5 SoS - 9-3(Texas)
#6 SoS - 6-6
#7 SoS - 4-8(Florida)

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You follow this statement with “next year he will be graded harder.”

I take that to mean that if he doesn’t perform, he will be on the hot seat. If this is the case, is Alabama now doing stupid shite like you purport LSU to be doing.

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Yeah, he could have lost 4+ regular season games these past 2 years and it wouldn't be the biggest deal at all in terms of job security. Next year and beyond that you expect to see better results....meaning similiar to what he achieved this year. Also meaning - he's ahead of schedule thus far.

If you mean he will be on the hot seat if Alabama has a similar season next year and doesn't win a NC - I doubt it. Not unless they have their eye on a good replacement.

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Additionally, was LSU’s termination of Kelly stupid if he was dragging the program down? Is the hiring of Kiffin stupid if he turns the program around as most pundits believe he will do?

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The hiring of Kiffin is why the firing of Kelly was stupid. You just hired the same guy again, except you're paying 53 million to get rid of one and 12+ million to get the other. Hell you could have spent that money on staff, recruits and what not with Kelly and likely gotten better results.

Going back to the above about SoS and Brian Kelly - well it's the exact same scenario with Lane Kiffin.

#48 SoS - Ole Miss. Played 2 ranked teams all year, went 1-1 against them. Their schedule last year was even weaker. And that's basically what you base his accomplishments on and have hired him based off of.

And his past history is bad. He has 2 total big wins in his 16 year career. In 2011 he got a win against Oregon and last year he got a win against Georgia. And then he blew multiple games to other teams...including one to Brian Kelly. I think he has like 1 road win over a ranked team.

He constantly makes things about him, making himself kind of a distraction. Says shite like his is Spurrier, then doesn't back it up - kind of shite that got him fired at USC. Kind of like Kelly saying he was keeping receipts type shite that embarrasses people.

It's like you learned nothing from hiring/firing Kelly.

For me my biggest gripe is his loyalty to guys who aren’t performing. I’m not saying take the job from Ty or whoever is struggling. We’ve seen him sit WR and OL for poor performance. But the QB seems immune. I’d at least sit him a series or two and see if that doesn’t clear his head. It’s hard to complain about results. He beat Georgia, TN, Auburn and LsU this season so it is obvious he is a good coach but I want to see more consistency in performance.

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Why do people here just make things up? Do you really believe that? Surely not if you have actually followed Alabama prior to Saban.

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I didn't make it up. It's reality. You highlighted the exceptions, not the rule.

Your history proves my statement.

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Ray Perkins - 4 seasons, no titles, left for NFL head coaching job

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This is the coach who followed Bear Bryant. Of course he was given 4 years. His immediate predecessor won a national title in year 4.

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Gene Stallings - 7 seasons, retired

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Won a national title and went to 4 SEC title games.

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Mike Dubose - 4 seasons, 1 SEC title

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won the SEC in year 3

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Mike Shula - 4 seasons, 26-24, fired

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This would be a notable exception, but he did lead the team to a 10-2 record, with a win at the Cotton Bowl, in year 3. There was reason to be optimistic. That was a great season for that era of college football, and I don't know if you remember it but most of us believed we would have won hardware if not for the Prothro injury (which was totally Shula's fault for keeping him in the game, imo). It is notable that Shula was fired following the next season where his team lost 7 games. His 10-win season bought him one extra year.

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Considering that Dubose and Shula each got 4 seasons, Kalen Deboer will get at least 4 seasons. Probably more.

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Dubose won an SEC title in year 3, Shula had a championship-caliber season in year 3 that was ended by Prothro's injury. You didn't refute what I said. You supported it.