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re: Since when is a free ride through college not enough?
Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:39 am to GeauxTigerNation
Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:39 am to GeauxTigerNation
quote:Since the 1890's, at least.
Since when is a free ride through college not enough?
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Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:56 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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No. You simply don’t understand how talent is compensated in the entertainment sector. If talent (singer, NBA player, etc) is where the value lies, then ownership can’t simply underpay them and tell them to take it, because if they walk then the owner loses value.
You can’t really compare a singer to a college athlete etc. A singer is an individual for instance and if he or she is good, they just sell out tickets and sell gazillions of records.
You are comparing apples to oranges. What these college athletes want is for everyone to get paid. That would be like me being a bigtime singer and having a Union which says EVERYONE in my industry gets the money, even those who nobody listens to.
Now, I don’t have an issue with a big college talent getting endorsement monies from whatever business. THAT IS FREE MARKETS!
But to say colleges should pay athletes, all of them for simply playing is ridiculous. And lets go along with you for a minute. We all know that once you open that can of worms, athletes in other sports will demand the same.
So now it’s not just football and basketball, but baseball, volleyball, softball, tennis, soccer, men and womens golf, lacrosse and on and on. You watch how fast attorney’s step in.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:05 am to Bobby OG Johnson
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I mean just look at some of their slave quarters. I don't know how they endure it.
This is where a lot of the money goes and how p5 schools are already 'paying' them - luxury items everywhere. There's a reason pro locker rooms look like locker roooms while college locker rooms look like a royal penthouse.
All of this would go away if college were more like the pro system. P5 schools create luxury kingdoms for athletes as a way of enticing them but with direct money that ends along with all of the sweet housing, catering, private playgrounds and restaurants.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:09 am to MullenBoys
Yet amazingly every revenue-generating sport has found a way to profit-share between management and players. NCAA football has far more in common with the NFL or NBA than it does with NCAA non-profit-generating sports.
In reality, these teams are nothing more than professional minor league football teams masquerading as intercollegiate sports.
In reality, these teams are nothing more than professional minor league football teams masquerading as intercollegiate sports.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:12 am to TigerLunatik
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modern day slavery
Get the frick out. These kids are pampered and compensated VERY well. They are being set up to succeed in life with no recurring debt. No one is forcing them to do this and they have other options. Slaves didn't have any of that.
What about protest, looting, destruction and BLM? Did they have a choice to do that also?
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 1:14 am
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:17 am to BornAndRaised_LA
Oh PLEASE! The big two sports FOOTBALL and HOOPS offset the money that those other sports don’t make a dime in except LOSING money.
When was last time you bought a damn volleyball ticket or seen big fans in the seats for so many other sports nobody cares about?
So now , not only do those non revenue sports lose money but you gotta pay their athletes too?
How long before you see a mess where colleges have to drop a bunch of sports only to get sued? You tell me Mr know it all.
You chime in like an expert but seem to understand very little. Let’s take Airlines as an example. Many people hold stock in that industry and see their stocks lose big when things are slow. But the minute they start making profits (using the past as example) then the pilots to the flight attendants want a strike for big money.
So what happens to the stock holders? They who kept the airlines in business are last to get paid.
When was last time you bought a damn volleyball ticket or seen big fans in the seats for so many other sports nobody cares about?
So now , not only do those non revenue sports lose money but you gotta pay their athletes too?
How long before you see a mess where colleges have to drop a bunch of sports only to get sued? You tell me Mr know it all.
You chime in like an expert but seem to understand very little. Let’s take Airlines as an example. Many people hold stock in that industry and see their stocks lose big when things are slow. But the minute they start making profits (using the past as example) then the pilots to the flight attendants want a strike for big money.
So what happens to the stock holders? They who kept the airlines in business are last to get paid.
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 1:26 am
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:21 am to Skyler97
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I mean lets be real some of these guys don't really care about a free ride. However the NCAA is basically the only way to get to the NFL. If there was an alternative you may have a point, but there's not so you don't. Some guys would much rather have cash compensation than scholarships. I mean, its not like certain degrees are even worth a shite anyways.
At the end of the day some players are being compensated with something that, to them, isn't actually worth anything.
Imagine if you did a job for someone and they gave you $200,000 dollars worth of paint. Sure, the value of that paint is $200,000 dollars, but you have no use for it so you complain. The person then responds by saying 'Are you crazy? If you ever start a painting business you'll be set for life! Stop being so entitled'
Not everyone will get to play in the NFL and some just do not want to play in the NFL but wants a degree and get a job of their choice!
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:05 am to MullenBoys
Holy irrelevant diatribe, Batman! WTF are you talking about now? I’m only talking football. Stay on point.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:34 am to Solo Cam
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Michael Phelps didn’t give up his endorements when he went to Michigan. Why should these kids not get get money off of their own names?
Michael Phelps paid his own way AND did not compete in college athletics. Also way to pick a sport that literally nobody gets a full ride in. You couldn't have constructed a worse argument if you tried.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 4:44 am to GeauxTigerNation
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I would have loved a free ride through college.
It’s not “free”. They work their asses off.
Weight training.
Team, position meetings.
Practice.
Daily review of “cut ups” (video) from practice.
Games
Wear and tear on their bodies.
Risk of injury.
They get up early in the morning and get home late.
You have no idea how much time, effort and sacrifice these kids make.
Oh yeah, there’s also school work.
What’s so fricking “free” about that?
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:31 am to TigerLunatik
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Get the frick out. These kids are pampered and compensated VERY well. They are being set up to succeed in life with no recurring debt. No one is forcing them to do this and they have other options. Slaves didn't have any of that.
As much as I love college football and sports in general I am close to the end. frick it blow the entire system up. abolish all athletic scholarships in their current form. New system, you want to play for a school and they recruit you and sign you. You will be compensated, but out of that comes living expenses, tuition, you must pay for rent, books, everything. Now if you get injured during a game or practice then the school covers the cost related to just that injury. If you get a toothache then you must cover that yourself, ear infection is the same. Anything not related to on the field is on you or your families dime. Just like professional sports you will be paid according to your skill. If you are a 4 or 5 star recruit you will earn enough to cover your scholarship and maybe have some money in pocket after expenses. If you are a 3,2,1 or walkon then family will likely have to come out of pocket if you want to play.
If they don't like this system just go full on Ivy league model or abolish big time college athletics like the everyone except the USA.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:44 am to Skyler97
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. Just because a scholarship is valued at 200,000 or whatever doesnt mean that its worth anything to the player. And I mean its not like the players choose a scholarship. If you want a chance at the NFL you basically have to accept the scholarship and abide by the NCAA because there's no alternative.
This isn't the fault of the NCAA schools. The NFL uses the schools as a minor league to develop talent. The NFL draft and signing rules are completely on them and has nothing to do with the NCAA. Don't blame the NCAA, blame the NFL.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:54 am to Solo Cam
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Dude - Jimbo is getting 75 million a year to win 7 games a year.
Explain how Jimbo is getting $75 million a year?
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And Will Wade is the criminal for paying a kid.
Is your argument that people should not have to follow rules or laws because you don't agree with them?
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TLDR: NCAA = Communism: Prove Me Wrong
You don't know the difference between Communism and Socialism, do you?
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:59 am to JohnnyU
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What’s so fricking “free” about that?
I am guessing that there are a lot of LSU fans that struggle with simple concepts? Free Ride is a term used to describe a scholarship, that includes academic scholarships and pretty much any scholarships that bear the entire burden of a college education. It does not mean the recipients do not have to do anything to earn said scholarship.
Crap.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 6:04 am to GeauxTigerNation
Yeah, crazy that the players who are literally passed along through school from an early age and never give a shite about schoolwork would want some compensation other than a free diploma.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 6:05 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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In reality, these teams are nothing more than professional minor league football teams masquerading as intercollegiate sports.
You do realize that most minor league players do not make as much as the NCAA players do when you take into account Tuition, books, trainers, doctors, room, board, coaching etc right? And none profit from their likenesses. When is the last time you have seen a minor league baseball player in a "Got Milk?" commercial?
Posted on 8/29/20 at 6:13 am to Solo Cam
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NCAA = Communism: Prove Me Wrong
Easy. No one is forcing these guys to play college sports.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 6:13 am to VADawg
This aint Kansas Toto and they are not in College for an education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 8/29/20 at 6:15 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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They don’t get a “free college degree.”
They receive a scholarship as part of a transactional relationship between the athlete and the school. It’s part of their compensation, along with housing, food, etc.
So you agree that they are compensated?
quote:No pay for work is ever even. I worked at delta Air Lines for 33 1/2 years. You know what i found out? The company, when profitable made more money than I did. A LOT more money. The President, Vice-Presidents, General Managers and Managers made a good amount more money than I did.
This is already a “pay-for-play” relationship. It’s just not even and if both sides don’t agree that the trade is fair, then either side has every right to negotiate fo
I also saw many of them get walked out the door when the company did not perform as it ought to. The regular employees got bonuses, raises and other perks based upon how well the company did, much like the players get nicer facilities, food, doctors care when they play for the bigger more successful programs.
You know what else is not equal? The things a player from LSU gets compared to one that plays for ULL or Nichols. tehy don't get the nice facilities or dorms or food that LSU players do! They don't get the quality of coaching that LSU players do! The horror.
It is the way business is run. Things are not equal.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 6:17 am to Sundance
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This aint Kansas Toto and they are not in College for an education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What are they there for then? Does every player think they are going to the NFL? I mean do you have any idea what percentage of college athlete is drafted?
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