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re: Since when is a free ride through college not enough?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:20 pm to GeauxTigerNation
Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:20 pm to GeauxTigerNation
Tbh, that has always been a sticking point I have made. Athletes get a free college degree that others take years to pay off because tuition has gotten out of hand.
Secondly, they get to showcase their talents and get a shot at the NFL. And even those who don’t sign with an NFL team , many are picked up from other national leagues.
They eat the best food, get to travel and see parts of the country others have not seen. Stay at killer hotels and many who don’t make it to a professional league are often times offered good jobs from loyal fans etc that own a company. Others get an intro job as a grad assistant if coaching is what they want to do.
Therefore I agree 100%.
Secondly, they get to showcase their talents and get a shot at the NFL. And even those who don’t sign with an NFL team , many are picked up from other national leagues.
They eat the best food, get to travel and see parts of the country others have not seen. Stay at killer hotels and many who don’t make it to a professional league are often times offered good jobs from loyal fans etc that own a company. Others get an intro job as a grad assistant if coaching is what they want to do.
Therefore I agree 100%.
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:24 pm to TigerLunatik
I mean just look at some of their slave quarters. I don't know how they endure it.
We must not stop until every scholarship athlete is free and we put an end to every college sport in this country.
We must not stop until every scholarship athlete is free and we put an end to every college sport in this country.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:26 pm to MullenBoys
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Tbh, that has always been a sticking point I have made. Athletes get a free college degree that others take years to pay off because tuition has gotten out of hand.
They don’t get a “free college degree.”
They receive a scholarship as part of a transactional relationship between the athlete and the school. It’s part of their compensation, along with housing, food, etc.
The travel you mention is not leisure travel; they are essentially on a business trip.
This is already a “pay-for-play” relationship. It’s just not even and if both sides don’t agree that the trade is fair, then either side has every right to negotiate for more.
That’s how our entire system works.
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:27 pm to GeauxTigerNation
Or maybe in high schools should be paying them also? Maybe little league, too? This is getting out of hand and the only people who are going to pay for it are the fans in ticket prices.
And what about those college players who never contribute a damn thing to the team? They want them paid as well.
And what about those college players who never contribute a damn thing to the team? They want them paid as well.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:29 pm to GeauxTigerNation
Millions a year is not enough for the pros. Nothing will ever be enough.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:39 pm to lewis and herschel
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Millions a year is not enough for the pros. Nothing will ever be enough.
Oh yeah, a guy with a 120 Million 4 year contract whines and says he’s worth more.
Btw, ever notice (regardless of who your team is) that there are always players who have a great year ....the last year of their contract before free agency? Yeah, we’ve all seen that haven’t we? Many have learned to milk that chit too.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:39 pm to lewis and herschel
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Millions a year is not enough for the pros. Nothing will ever be enough.
Is the NFL going broke? Are the owners? The pro players are negotiating their piece of an enormous pie. The market drives the value, not the player salaries. Once the fans decide how much they’ll pump into the league, the owners and players simply negotiate the split.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:55 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
Actually yes, all pro sports are in the process of going broke, so is TV..... It's all about to dry up at once.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:01 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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The cost to the university of the degree and room/board pales in comparison to the value one of the 85 scholarship football players provide.
Think of playing college ball as an entry level corporate job. On average, the average entry level employee makes a fair salary. After a few years, some will distinguish themselves and be rewarded. Some may one day rise to senior level management positions, but most will not.
A university investing $150K to $200K is pretty solid, and a lot better deal than 99% of us will get.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:02 pm to lewis and herschel
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yes, all pro sports are in the process of going broke
“ Despite steadily declining viewership since 2015 and recent controversies about concussions and the national anthem, the NFL is making more money than ever. Although, due to its private status, it is impossible to know exactly how much the NFL makes; Bloomberg estimates it earned around $15 billion during the 2018 season. This is up from estimates of $14.2 billion in 2017 and $13.3 billion in 2016. And the league is showing no intentions of slowing down. Commissioner Roger Goodell has targeted $25 billion in revenue by 2027, or 6% annual growth.”
Sure sounds like they are going broke...
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:02 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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Is the NFL going broke? Are the owners? The pro players are negotiating their piece of an enormous pie.
Wait a damn minute, true owners are not going broke, but it takes a lot of investment to own a team. What you are saying is that my small business which cost $350K, I need to share the profits with all employees? And how much is enough? So I have a manager and assist manager making $90K between the two but also have 27 other employees making between $9.25 and $15 and hour. My profits after everything is $175K a year.
So what happens if I have to give up 10% to all 12 full time employees? We both know I would fold. Even 5% , what happens?
I am looking at the big picture. This new ideology will eventually hit every business owner and we both know it. No incentive to ever invest in a business and if you think athletes are going to stop at whatever is agrees upon then you are sadly mistaking.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:07 pm to Broadside Bob
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Think of playing college ball as an entry level corporate job. On average, the average entry level employee makes a fair salary. After a few years, some will distinguish themselves and be rewarded. Some may one day rise to senior level management positions, but most will not.
These 85 “entry-level” employees are responsible for tens of millions in profits at LSU. In the corporate world you are paid relative to the value you bring to the organization. This isn’t colonial America; we don’t have an apprenticeship model in the entertainment industry. If you bring value, you negotiate to get paid.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:11 pm to MullenBoys
This isn’t your fast food restaurant...your min wage employees aren’t driving the value of your product.
Terrible comparison. In football, the value of the high-earning teams is in having the best players (and therefore winning).
If your business model demanded you must have the best burger flippers or you would fold, then you’d have to pay to get the best.
Terrible comparison. In football, the value of the high-earning teams is in having the best players (and therefore winning).
If your business model demanded you must have the best burger flippers or you would fold, then you’d have to pay to get the best.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:12 pm to GeauxTigerNation
Lol like 99% of college football and basketball players and 100% of everyone else in sports absolutely does not have a fair market value higher than their scholarship
The 4th string tackle would lose out on the deal if you paid them instead of scholarshipped them.
Most of these players are making a huge mistake going along with this to only benefit a handful at the top
The 4th string tackle would lose out on the deal if you paid them instead of scholarshipped them.
Most of these players are making a huge mistake going along with this to only benefit a handful at the top
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:42 pm to YF12
I would say it never was.
I went on an academic ride through a DII school - nothing special. But it was never implied that I couldn't earn side money. As a matter of fact - I was encouraged to do so. And every job interview I went to you bet I mentioned that I was on that ride.
I'm sick of these ball players demanding "to be heard". I'm sick of that from the entire generation. But I'm also sick of folks trying to put money in their pockets via the college system - while trying to stop the otherwise free exchange of money to those that provide the product.
I went on an academic ride through a DII school - nothing special. But it was never implied that I couldn't earn side money. As a matter of fact - I was encouraged to do so. And every job interview I went to you bet I mentioned that I was on that ride.
I'm sick of these ball players demanding "to be heard". I'm sick of that from the entire generation. But I'm also sick of folks trying to put money in their pockets via the college system - while trying to stop the otherwise free exchange of money to those that provide the product.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:47 pm to GeauxTigerNation
It’s not like when we were in school brother.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:47 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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This isn’t your fast food restaurant...your min wage employees aren’t driving the value of your product. Terrible comparison. In football, the value of the high-earning teams is in having the best players (and therefore winning). If your business model demanded you must have the best burger flippers or you would fold, then you’d have to pay to get the best.
I can make the argument for full time employees that without them being there 7 years the quality and consistency of food is based on their effort and strength unlike part time employees. Therefore they have made me money. I am using the counter argument.
It doesn’t matter the extra mile to buy the best ingredients, the fact is, without those full time employees my product would be 30% less good so I must give them a % because it’s not me overseeing things or a good manager, they cook and produce my product. A slippery slope no?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:22 pm to Skyler97
quote:Your comparison is flawed, and analagous to offering a scholarship to a recruit, then telling the recruit he/she has no say in what degree they can earn. You would be accurate if you compared a recruit doing a job for someone, then as compensation receiving $200,000 worth of whatever goods they choose. If their choice is 4,000 gallons of paint then they have no one to blame but theirself.
Imagine if you did a job for someone and they gave you $200,000 dollars worth of paint. Sure, the value of that paint is $200,000 dollars, but you have no use for it so you complain. The person then responds by saying 'Are you crazy? If you ever start a painting business you'll be set for life! Stop being so entitled'
Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:19 am to el gato
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Your comparison is flawed, and analagous to offering a scholarship to a recruit, then telling the recruit he/she has no say in what degree they can earn. You would be accurate if you compared a recruit doing a job for someone, then as compensation receiving $200,000 worth of whatever goods they choose. If their choice is 4,000 gallons of paint then they have no one to blame but theirself.
It wasn't meant to be like a 1:1 scenario but moreso to show how value is different to certain people. Just because a scholarship is valued at 200,000 or whatever doesnt mean that its worth anything to the player. And I mean its not like the players choose a scholarship. If you want a chance at the NFL you basically have to accept the scholarship and abide by the NCAA because there's no alternative.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:30 am to MullenBoys
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A slippery slope no?
No. You simply don’t understand how talent is compensated in the entertainment sector. If talent (singer, NBA player, etc) is where the value lies, then ownership can’t simply underpay them and tell them to take it, because if they walk then the owner loses value.
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