re: Since when is a free ride through college not enough?

This is meant as a stand alone comment, not a direct reply to the OP.

I have no problem with the players making income on their likenesses or through autographs and such, in fact I'm not sure how it's legal to prevent them from doing so in a free market country, though I'm far from an expert in legal matters.

What I do have a problem with is people comparing them to being slaves when you consider the monetary value of the tuition, room and board, food and all the perks they receive. It's downright insulting to make that comparison.

Personally I'd rather see the colleges do away with scholarships altogether and force the NFL to foot the bill for a developmental league instead of getting it for free from the colleges but that's just one man's opinion and probably would never happen.

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Personally I'd rather see the colleges do away with scholarships altogether

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No you wouldn't. 80% of the fan base would be gone along with revenues and the TV audience.

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I would have loved a free ride through college.

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When those people who are getting the "free ride" also pay for the free ride of other sport players and this travel cost no one watches their shitty sports.

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No pay for work is ever even

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No one ever said it was. What people are arguing for is the ability to at least negotiate.

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No. here is the quote I was responding to:
This is already a “pay-for-play” relationship. It’s just not even and if both sides don’t agree that the trade is fair, then either side has every right to negotiate fo

And another point I would make to this statement where he is wrong is when he said :
if both sides don’t agree that the trade is fair, then either side has every right to negotiate of
This is incorrect, too. If you are unionized, then yes. If not then you either accept the terms as offered or you go someplace else. Nobody ever thinks they are paid enough. that does not give you an automatic right to negotiate. It seems pretty obvious to me that a lot of people on this board has never been in the work force.

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Cool. You are comparing a massive, publicly traded company to an AD that makes a lot of revenue off of a football team.
You also could have negotiated or walked if you had chosen. In some industries you can only underpay for a year or so before you permanently fall behind competitors in talent.

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We were not unionized so my only option would have been to walk out...meaning quit. But I had no problem with my pay or benefits and understood that the one who lays out the costs of the business and takes the risk of that layout reaps a higher reward. That is economics 101.

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In some industries you can only underpay for a year or so before you permanently fall behind competitors in talent.

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Agreed. And if the players want they can leave college football and start their own league by taking the risks of laying out cash for stadiums, equipment, insurance, general facilities etc. If they do that and are successful then they could reap huge rewards that would dwarf any pay they would receive from the NFL. but that would take a huge amount of risk and capital.

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The way businesses are run is not inconsistent from one to the other. In sports, an individual start player has a massive amount of leverage due to their individual worth to the franchise.

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They do in the NFL. Not so much in college. They could do away with scholarships and start paying the players. but the lower tier players that are not stars would probably get a whole lot less than tuition, room, board, insurance, medical costs, training etc.

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When those people who are getting the "free ride" also pay for the free ride of other sport players and this travel cost no one watches their shitty sports.

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So you would have no problem with colleges doing away with all sports but football and basketball?

Personally I would, but most people like their schools having other sports.

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Also clearly everyone involved knows that a free education is not enough since good players get paid anyways.

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Not really. If no one was cheating do you think they would be offered more money?

If you believe that paying players is widespread you would be wrong. Some players are paid, but a very small percentage. There are thousands of players playing college football. Very few are good enough to play in the NFL.

And if you want to use your logic against yourself, then I would argue that scholarships are enough or players would not accept them.

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So you would have no problem with colleges doing away with all sports but football and basketball?

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Sure. Let the free market do its thing. Funny how all the Republicans don't feel this way.

Honestly the football players can easily be paid $100k per year and it would effect literally nothing. Auburn pays almost that much to watch Gus shite the bed every year in the bowl game.

But those 24 schools are a minority. Many more schools saw their expenses exceed their revenue, requiring their colleges and universities to cover the shortfall. The median FBS school spent $14.7 million to help subsidize its athletics department in 2014, up from a little more than $11 million in 2013. That level of spending isn’t unique to FBS schools – median Football Championship Subdivision and non-football schools spent roughly $11 million to help fund athletics in 2014.

"There is still a misperception that most schools are generating more money than they spend on college athletics," said NCAA Chief Financial Officer Kathleen McNeely. "These data show once again that the truth is just the opposite.

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And make no mistake about it, if you begin to pay football and basketball players, you will have to pay the other athletes as well. All you have to do is look at the womens soccer team demanding to be paid as much as the men even though they bring in a much lower amount of money to see where we would be going with this. If you think the women's movement would not insist on payment commiserate with the men, then you have not been paying attention. If nothing else, Title IX should convince you of that.

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No pay for work is ever even. I worked at delta Air Lines for 33 1/2 years. You know what i found out? The company, when profitable made more money than I did. A LOT more money. The President, Vice-Presidents, General Managers and Managers made a good amount more money than I did.

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This fact does not mean that the compensation of the employee is non-negotiable. Companies pay for value. If you are easily replaceable you earn less. If you are uniquely skilled and that increases revenue, you negotiate more.

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Honestly the football players can easily be paid $100k per year and it would effect literally nothing

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Alright, fine. We can pay them $100k/year. In return, they are now listed as employees of the university. Their scholarships, free meals, free premier housing, and whatever other free shite they get is gone too. No more lowering admissions standards.