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re: SI article said 7-7 school vote split at this time for the schedule format.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:03 pm to Bwmdx
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:03 pm to Bwmdx
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I would be fine with OU and Mizz but would want the third to be a traditional SEC team like OM or LSU instead of Texas or AM..
I'd be more inclined to let the traditional SEC teams play, you know, themselves.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:11 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
Only 6 teams deserve a vote
We all know who they are.
We all know who they are.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:16 pm to Tornado Alley
Similarly, its better for a school like Arkansas to play whatever is going to be the biggest game, regardless of whether they are "traditional SEC teams" Lets say Arkansas get two like Ole Miss and LSU as permanent opponents (lets say Missouri is the third team, but it doesnt matter).
In that case Arkansas will play 6 "traditional SEC teams" in a year. Outside of that, they would play Missouri every year, and two out of Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, and South Carolina.
If they were paired with Oklahoma and Texas instead, its only one less game a year against traditional SEC teams even though all three permanent games are non-traditional. This is because A&M and South Carolina would be the only "non-traditional SEC teams" left in the rotating pool. 5 out of 6 of the rotating games will be traditional SEC teams. I'm sure Arkansas would love to get LSU every year, as that's a big game no matter what, but decades from now, a game with the closest school to them, Oklahoma, is likely a bigger deal than having a permanent matchup against like Ole Miss just because Ole Miss was in the SEC longer.
In that case Arkansas will play 6 "traditional SEC teams" in a year. Outside of that, they would play Missouri every year, and two out of Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, and South Carolina.
If they were paired with Oklahoma and Texas instead, its only one less game a year against traditional SEC teams even though all three permanent games are non-traditional. This is because A&M and South Carolina would be the only "non-traditional SEC teams" left in the rotating pool. 5 out of 6 of the rotating games will be traditional SEC teams. I'm sure Arkansas would love to get LSU every year, as that's a big game no matter what, but decades from now, a game with the closest school to them, Oklahoma, is likely a bigger deal than having a permanent matchup against like Ole Miss just because Ole Miss was in the SEC longer.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:19 pm to Tornado Alley
quote:Imagine being Kentucky in this scenario.
East
South Carolina
Georgia
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Florida
Finally starting to get some momentum as a program, then you find out you have to play 5 teams every season against which you’ve gone 10-97 (winning percentage of .093) since the first expansion in ‘92
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:25 pm to JJxvi
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I'm sure Arkansas would love to get LSU every year, as that's a big game no matter what, but decades from now, a game with the closest school to them, Oklahoma, is likely a bigger deal than having a permanent matchup against like Ole Miss just because Ole Miss was in the SEC longer.
Ole Miss and Arkansas have some history outside of the conference though. We played most of the 40s, 50s, and 80s, and met in two Sugar Bowls.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:28 pm to Tornado Alley
Oh, I agree that Ole Miss is a decent fit for Arkansas. I dont think there is a realistic chance of them being put together though. Both Arkansas and Ole Miss are potential fits both as rivals and through geography for so many other schools in the league that it is unlikely that the conference will waste some of those other opportunities by pairing them with each other instead of each with another school.
I think that Arkansas-Oklahoma is a potential important game for each school, despite the lack of history. Geographic proximity and the historical profile of each school will make that a bigger potential game. Its a way better game, for example, than Arkansas-Missouri, which is basically needed way more from the Missouri side than the Arkansas side.
I think that Arkansas-Oklahoma is a potential important game for each school, despite the lack of history. Geographic proximity and the historical profile of each school will make that a bigger potential game. Its a way better game, for example, than Arkansas-Missouri, which is basically needed way more from the Missouri side than the Arkansas side.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:35 pm to deaux
First, any scenarios Probly not take effect until 2024 or 25. Secondly, you don’t make this type of scheduling change , worth this kind of money and exclude the 2 schools who basically caused all this upheaval. Especially 2 programs like OU and UT, it’s just true.
They aren’t Texas AM, their opinion matters!
They aren’t Texas AM, their opinion matters!
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:40 pm to Bamatab
Your right about this Bamatab. And it’s not just a want to. Florida and GA have the most unique scheduling problem in the P5. They have an annual neutral game that costs them both .5 home games a year and they have to play a h/a every year with an ooc p5 which costs them another .5 game. Okie may inherent this issue if the get pressure to play the Pokes when they leave the Big 12. I don’t think any of the horns rivalries outside of OU & A&M are quite as sticky. With 9 SEC and a set ooc UGA and UF get no more than 5 home games one year and 4 the next with those 10 games. That’s only 2 to play with to ensure 6 home games, when other SEC teams have 7 and sometimes 8. If GA wanted to play Clemson they’d have to get it home the same year as Tech away and that’s still only 5 home games out of 11 played. They could only play a P5 away game on tHe years Tech is at home. So in essence GA could basically never play a non GT P5 game or never play 7 home games. It’s not a great option for the AD though I’m sure the fans would like the improved season ticket.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:47 pm to 3rddownonthe8
Unless Oklahoma and Texas have bizarre opinions on wanting only one rival and 8 games, which I find doubtful, its not exactly a mystery who to pair these teams with.
Oklahoma will want Texas and Missouri.
Texas will want Oklahoma, Texas A&M, and Arkansas and wouldn't mind LSU. There isnt exactly a lot of information they need to be quizzed on.
Oklahoma will want Texas and Missouri.
Texas will want Oklahoma, Texas A&M, and Arkansas and wouldn't mind LSU. There isnt exactly a lot of information they need to be quizzed on.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:50 pm to 3rddownonthe8
I would love to see the SEC bylaws that allow nonmember schools to vote on any topic, let alone a topic such as scheduling.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:50 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
Explain the formats please
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:54 pm to TutHillTiger
1-7
1-team you play every year
7 teams you play 2 years home/away
And again
Thus playing all 15 teams home and away in a 4 year span.
Same thing with the 3-6 but 3 teams you play every year.
Main difference is 1-7 is 8 conferenced games a year and 3-6 is 9 conference games a year.
8 conf games 4 home/4 away every year
9 conf games 5 home/4away then flip the next year
1-team you play every year
7 teams you play 2 years home/away
And again
Thus playing all 15 teams home and away in a 4 year span.
Same thing with the 3-6 but 3 teams you play every year.
Main difference is 1-7 is 8 conferenced games a year and 3-6 is 9 conference games a year.
8 conf games 4 home/4 away every year
9 conf games 5 home/4away then flip the next year
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:05 pm to JJxvi
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Oh, I agree that Ole Miss is a decent fit for Arkansas. I dont think there is a realistic chance of them being put together though. Both Arkansas and Ole Miss are potential fits both as rivals and through geography for so many other schools in the league that it is unlikely that the conference will waste some of those other opportunities by pairing them with each other instead of each with another school.
I think that Arkansas-Oklahoma is a potential important game for each school, despite the lack of history. Geographic proximity and the historical profile of each school will make that a bigger potential game. Its a way better game, for example, than Arkansas-Missouri, which is basically needed way more from the Missouri side than the Arkansas side.
The must-have game for Arkansas is Texas. For at least one of the other two slots, either Oklahoma or Missouri make sense.
Either LSU or Ole Miss make sense for the other one, but I'm not sure that Arkansas would get either one. I could see the Hogs ending up with Texas/Oklahoma/Missouri.
Hate to see Arkansas and Ole Miss not play each year, since it's a series with a long history and wild finishes, but that's probably the way this thing's headed.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:25 pm to JJxvi
I agree about the Ark OU game. That could end up a big rivalry game given we would be each other’s closest SEC school.
A lot of the older fans would absolutely want Texas as a permanent. But, for us younger ones, we view LSU and OM closer to rivals than Tex. We don’t want to lose those games which we consider developing rivals.
My biggest fear with the 1 and 7 schedule is Arkansas being paired with Mizz. That would be a slap in the face to us, especially after we were forced to give up the day after Thanksgiving LSU game for them.
A lot of the older fans would absolutely want Texas as a permanent. But, for us younger ones, we view LSU and OM closer to rivals than Tex. We don’t want to lose those games which we consider developing rivals.
My biggest fear with the 1 and 7 schedule is Arkansas being paired with Mizz. That would be a slap in the face to us, especially after we were forced to give up the day after Thanksgiving LSU game for them.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:44 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
Five of your 7 are:
LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Who knows about the rest? I could see A&M voting for 1-7 so they don't have to play Texas every year. They'd get LSU in that scenario because Texas would get Oklahoma.
LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Who knows about the rest? I could see A&M voting for 1-7 so they don't have to play Texas every year. They'd get LSU in that scenario because Texas would get Oklahoma.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:35 pm to CCTider
2-6 doesn’t allow you to play every team home and away in a 4 year period
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:43 pm to anc
State doesn’t have a winning record against A&M over last decade. HTH
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:45 pm to RT1941
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There hasn't even been a vote, so where are people hearing his stuff?
Do you think this operates like a grand jury?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
LSU's vote is a complete mystery. Not even Scott Woodward's wife knows how SW will cast LSU's vote. SI's info is crap.
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