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re: SI article said 7-7 school vote split at this time for the schedule format.

Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28478 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:03 pm to
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I would be fine with OU and Mizz but would want the third to be a traditional SEC team like OM or LSU instead of Texas or AM..


I'd be more inclined to let the traditional SEC teams play, you know, themselves.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
65661 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:11 pm to
Only 6 teams deserve a vote

We all know who they are.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:13 pm
Posted by JJxvi
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
469 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:16 pm to
Similarly, its better for a school like Arkansas to play whatever is going to be the biggest game, regardless of whether they are "traditional SEC teams" Lets say Arkansas get two like Ole Miss and LSU as permanent opponents (lets say Missouri is the third team, but it doesnt matter).

In that case Arkansas will play 6 "traditional SEC teams" in a year. Outside of that, they would play Missouri every year, and two out of Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, and South Carolina.

If they were paired with Oklahoma and Texas instead, its only one less game a year against traditional SEC teams even though all three permanent games are non-traditional. This is because A&M and South Carolina would be the only "non-traditional SEC teams" left in the rotating pool. 5 out of 6 of the rotating games will be traditional SEC teams. I'm sure Arkansas would love to get LSU every year, as that's a big game no matter what, but decades from now, a game with the closest school to them, Oklahoma, is likely a bigger deal than having a permanent matchup against like Ole Miss just because Ole Miss was in the SEC longer.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19733 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:19 pm to
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East

South Carolina
Georgia
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Florida
Imagine being Kentucky in this scenario.

Finally starting to get some momentum as a program, then you find out you have to play 5 teams every season against which you’ve gone 10-97 (winning percentage of .093) since the first expansion in ‘92
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28478 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:25 pm to
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I'm sure Arkansas would love to get LSU every year, as that's a big game no matter what, but decades from now, a game with the closest school to them, Oklahoma, is likely a bigger deal than having a permanent matchup against like Ole Miss just because Ole Miss was in the SEC longer.



Ole Miss and Arkansas have some history outside of the conference though. We played most of the 40s, 50s, and 80s, and met in two Sugar Bowls.
Posted by JJxvi
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
469 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:28 pm to
Oh, I agree that Ole Miss is a decent fit for Arkansas. I dont think there is a realistic chance of them being put together though. Both Arkansas and Ole Miss are potential fits both as rivals and through geography for so many other schools in the league that it is unlikely that the conference will waste some of those other opportunities by pairing them with each other instead of each with another school.

I think that Arkansas-Oklahoma is a potential important game for each school, despite the lack of history. Geographic proximity and the historical profile of each school will make that a bigger potential game. Its a way better game, for example, than Arkansas-Missouri, which is basically needed way more from the Missouri side than the Arkansas side.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:33 pm
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5342 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:35 pm to
First, any scenarios Probly not take effect until 2024 or 25. Secondly, you don’t make this type of scheduling change , worth this kind of money and exclude the 2 schools who basically caused all this upheaval. Especially 2 programs like OU and UT, it’s just true.

They aren’t Texas AM, their opinion matters!
Posted by Pulpwood Patterson
Member since Dec 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:40 pm to
Your right about this Bamatab. And it’s not just a want to. Florida and GA have the most unique scheduling problem in the P5. They have an annual neutral game that costs them both .5 home games a year and they have to play a h/a every year with an ooc p5 which costs them another .5 game. Okie may inherent this issue if the get pressure to play the Pokes when they leave the Big 12. I don’t think any of the horns rivalries outside of OU & A&M are quite as sticky. With 9 SEC and a set ooc UGA and UF get no more than 5 home games one year and 4 the next with those 10 games. That’s only 2 to play with to ensure 6 home games, when other SEC teams have 7 and sometimes 8. If GA wanted to play Clemson they’d have to get it home the same year as Tech away and that’s still only 5 home games out of 11 played. They could only play a P5 away game on tHe years Tech is at home. So in essence GA could basically never play a non GT P5 game or never play 7 home games. It’s not a great option for the AD though I’m sure the fans would like the improved season ticket.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted by JJxvi
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
469 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:47 pm to
Unless Oklahoma and Texas have bizarre opinions on wanting only one rival and 8 games, which I find doubtful, its not exactly a mystery who to pair these teams with.

Oklahoma will want Texas and Missouri.

Texas will want Oklahoma, Texas A&M, and Arkansas and wouldn't mind LSU. There isnt exactly a lot of information they need to be quizzed on.
Posted by deaux
Member since Oct 2018
20267 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:50 pm to
I would love to see the SEC bylaws that allow nonmember schools to vote on any topic, let alone a topic such as scheduling.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:50 pm to
Explain the formats please
Posted by Whentheleveebreaks
Member since Aug 2020
2794 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:54 pm to
1-7
1-team you play every year
7 teams you play 2 years home/away
And again
Thus playing all 15 teams home and away in a 4 year span.

Same thing with the 3-6 but 3 teams you play every year.

Main difference is 1-7 is 8 conferenced games a year and 3-6 is 9 conference games a year.
8 conf games 4 home/4 away every year
9 conf games 5 home/4away then flip the next year
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:57 pm
Posted by NaturalStateReb
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2012
1622 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Oh, I agree that Ole Miss is a decent fit for Arkansas. I dont think there is a realistic chance of them being put together though. Both Arkansas and Ole Miss are potential fits both as rivals and through geography for so many other schools in the league that it is unlikely that the conference will waste some of those other opportunities by pairing them with each other instead of each with another school.

I think that Arkansas-Oklahoma is a potential important game for each school, despite the lack of history. Geographic proximity and the historical profile of each school will make that a bigger potential game. Its a way better game, for example, than Arkansas-Missouri, which is basically needed way more from the Missouri side than the Arkansas side.


The must-have game for Arkansas is Texas. For at least one of the other two slots, either Oklahoma or Missouri make sense.

Either LSU or Ole Miss make sense for the other one, but I'm not sure that Arkansas would get either one. I could see the Hogs ending up with Texas/Oklahoma/Missouri.

Hate to see Arkansas and Ole Miss not play each year, since it's a series with a long history and wild finishes, but that's probably the way this thing's headed.
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
3385 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:25 pm to
I agree about the Ark OU game. That could end up a big rivalry game given we would be each other’s closest SEC school.

A lot of the older fans would absolutely want Texas as a permanent. But, for us younger ones, we view LSU and OM closer to rivals than Tex. We don’t want to lose those games which we consider developing rivals.

My biggest fear with the 1 and 7 schedule is Arkansas being paired with Mizz. That would be a slap in the face to us, especially after we were forced to give up the day after Thanksgiving LSU game for them.
Posted by Domeskeller
Astrodome
Member since Jun 2020
9766 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:44 pm to
Five of your 7 are:

LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia

Who knows about the rest? I could see A&M voting for 1-7 so they don't have to play Texas every year. They'd get LSU in that scenario because Texas would get Oklahoma.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25133 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:58 pm to
Why not 2-6?
Posted by PanhandleSlim
Member since Mar 2020
468 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:35 pm to
2-6 doesn’t allow you to play every team home and away in a 4 year period
Posted by Raleigh St. Claire
West University Place
Member since Jun 2013
184 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:43 pm to
State doesn’t have a winning record against A&M over last decade. HTH
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88496 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:45 pm to
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There hasn't even been a vote, so where are people hearing his stuff?


Do you think this operates like a grand jury?
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14852 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:57 pm to
LSU's vote is a complete mystery. Not even Scott Woodward's wife knows how SW will cast LSU's vote. SI's info is crap.
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