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re: Sherman's army has landed in Atlanta
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:51 am to Stunna Tide
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:51 am to Stunna Tide
You do realize that Sherman did not really take Atlanta, he largely bypassed the place. The confederate army in Atlanta under John Bell Hood started that fire during the evacuation of the city. He did however cut a swath of destruction across Georgia all the way to Savannah.
Tiger fans since 2001 have done more damage to Atlanta than President Sherman did.
Tiger fans since 2001 have done more damage to Atlanta than President Sherman did.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 11:00 am
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:51 am to geaux88
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The "Tigers" in LSU Tigers aren't named after a zoo pet, but rather a fierce group of Confederate soldiers in the Civil War that fought in Lee's Army of Northern Virginia
Yup.
If Lee had unleashed them like Sherman did with his men, they would've drank every drop of liquor between Virginia and Boston while Neck played and mass STTDB commenced.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:54 am to Stunna Tide
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Wasn't the University of Lousiana State University owned by Sherman?
Sherman maintained an interest in LSU until his death...what you're talking about is the transfer of the Pentagon Barracks (the old campus, now the grounds of the present State Capitol) from the Army to LSU when the Army left Baton Rouge in 1971...
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:01 am to Krampus
No, that would be Robert E. Lee. Even the north worshipped him.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:27 am to DougsMugs
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No, about 1/3 of Southern Whites owned slaves. And many who didn't were employed by slaveowners in some way. I think in Mississippi the majority of whites owned slaves
Not true. You might be referencing the percentage of White voters, who were mainly property owners, who owned slaves. But no way did a third of White Southern men own slaves. If that was true, Blacks would be the majority in the South given that many Slave masters owned multiple slaves.
Again, how could the war have been just about slavery if there were five Union slaves with legal slavery, with New Jersey not outlawing it till 1865? And why would Lincoln have supported the Corwin Amendment, which would have kept slavery forever legal in the South, if his only reason for resisting Southern secession was to free the slaves? That is ridiculous propaganda.
Lincoln was an authoritarian war criminal. The same folks who condemn Syria's Assad for doing what he had to do to resist head chopping AQ and ISIS affiliates, lionize Lincoln cause he defeated the South and thus ended the American republic and the 10th Amendment. The founding fathers made it very clear that states could leave the Union at will.
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:45 am to Stunna Tide
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Forrest killed men in battles. Sherman had his troops purposely rape and murder girls and women and bash babies heads against walls and stomp on their tiny little necks when the men weren't around.
Not really the same thing, Yank.
There is no evidence that Sherman's army killed women and children. In fact, General Johnston who commanded Confederate forces in Georgia served at Sherman's funeral. He would have been more of an expert as to what Sherman did or did not do. The notion that Sherman killed women and children was part of revisionist Southerners to justify the notion of a lost cause.
What Sherman did in terms of total war, absent killing women and children, would be put to the full force of the USA during WW2 where we routinely bombed cities in both Japan and Germany where in fact civilians, women and children did die.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:50 am to JKChesterton
Didn’t New Orleans surrender like immediately
Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:52 am to JKChesterton
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would be put to the full force of the USA during WW2 where we routinely bombed cities in both Japan and Germany where in fact civilians, women and children did die.
Thus my reference to Curtis Lemay (Japan) in an earlier post in this thread.
I failed to mention Hap Arnold and the fire bombing of Dresden and a couple of other German cities as well.
Again, I assert: That.Is.How.You.Fight.A.War. If you want total unconditional Victory.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:06 pm to DougsMugs
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No, that would be Robert E. Lee. Even the north worshipped him.
Since when is the loser considered the best?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:10 pm to JKChesterton
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There is no evidence that Sherman's army killed women and children. In fact, General Johnston who commanded Confederate forces in Georgia served at Sherman's funeral. He would have been more of an expert as to what Sherman did or did not do. The notion that Sherman killed women and children was part of revisionist Southerners to justify the notion of a lost cause.
Exactly.
Sherman's standing orders forbid soldiers from harming civilians. And while they were under order to destroy food and supplies, the orders directed the army to leave enough food and supplies to support the civilian populace, but destroy all the surplus so there wouldn't be anything left that could be sent to Confederate war effort. Sherman didn't want the civilians to go hungry.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:12 pm to Stunna Tide
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Why not honor a serial killer? Murdering the helpless in violent rages is not something to be honored.
Lmao!
This is coming from a bama fan...
Do you have any idea what some of your fellow tide fans have done in the name of “too much bama in him”...
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:21 pm to JKChesterton
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In fact, General Johnston who commanded Confederate forces in Georgia served at Sherman's funeral.
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While he continued his feud with Jefferson Davis even after the war, Johnston was friendly with a handful of former Union generals, including William T. Sherman. A pallbearer at Sherman’s funeral in February 1891, he refused to wear a hat in the winter cold out of respect for his former foe. Johnston subsequently caught pneumonia, dying a month later at the age of 84.
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:33 pm to FredBear
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Seems odd for fans of the Southeastern conference to be singing the praises for the US Army, and the Union
So, you're not a patriot?
Bummer.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:39 pm to KiwiHead
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You do realize that Sherman did not really take Atlanta, he largely bypassed the place. The confederate army in Atlanta under John Bell Hood started that fire during the evacuation of the city. He did however cut a swath of destruction across Georgia all the way to Savannah.
While Sherman didn't burn Atlanta, he did burn Columbia. He saw it as the birthplace of the rebellion.
But as someone else pointed out, we love Lemay for what he did to Japan, and we love Doolittle for what he did to Germany, but we're supposed to hate Sherman for what he did to the South.
Total war just isn't as glorious when it's against you.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:41 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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While Sherman didn't burn Atlanta, he did burn Columbia.
To be fair, most objective observers considered it an improvement. Some Columbia residents even went so far as to thank Sherman for tidying up their shithole of a city.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:45 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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lionize Lincoln cause he defeated the South and thus...
...preserved the Union. God bless the USA!
I'm not sure why so many southerners hate our great country.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:52 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Not true. You might be referencing the percentage of White voters, who were mainly property owners, who owned slaves. But no way did a third of White Southern men own slaves. If that was true, Blacks would be the majority in the South given that many Slave masters owned multiple slaves.
Slaves were the majority in South Carolina and Mississippi. I think they may have been the majority in Louisiana, Alabama and Florida, but I'm not sure. You are right that big time slave owners (planters) were a small minority of Southern Whites, but many white families had a slave family living with them.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:57 pm to Huge Richard
Yes pretty early in the war, I think 1862. In hindsight a good thing, no need for people to die in a war that should not have been fought. In fact, there are too many wars going on right now that should not be fought but I don't want to go off into politics and just war or not just war.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:59 pm to Stunna Tide
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Why not honor a serial killer?
Bama fans honor a serial tree killer.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 1:00 pm to geaux88
Yes, your reference to Curtis Lemay an the bombing campaigns in Japan were indeed accurate. Of course ole Curtis wanted to carry that same policy in Vietnam which was not in fact a Declaration of war and if we are honest, Vietnam did not attack the USA.
It has been said that Kubrick's character General Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove, played by Sterling Hayden (also played the Crooked Irish Cop in the Godfather 1), was based on Lemay.
It has been said that Kubrick's character General Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove, played by Sterling Hayden (also played the Crooked Irish Cop in the Godfather 1), was based on Lemay.
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