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re: Serious question…how did the Tennessee football program fall so far…
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:36 am to PurpleSingularity
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:36 am to PurpleSingularity
there is a difference, and it’s not just semantics, between the words “team” and “program”
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What BS
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What BS
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:40 am to PurpleSingularity
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Kiffin seems to be doing pretty well at Ole Miss…why was it so difficult for him at Tennessee? I think football recruiting at a high level has been difficult for the vols…poor instate talent but that’s not the whole story
It wasnt? If he stayed at Tennessee he would have went 9-3 in 2010. The East was godawful and he beats LSU that year. Then who knows what happens once we get momentum.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:44 am to PurpleSingularity
NICO!!!
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:46 am to BigScoreboard
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What BS
So I guess by your estimation, Tennessee has a better football program than Alabama does…I mean you did beat them in 2024 right?
You are an idiot by every definition of the word
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:48 am to PurpleSingularity
Heupel is a very good coach but he's now 8-10 on the road at UTjr and most of those have been blowouts.
Their last truly elite team playing the Citrus Bowl.
Their last truly elite team playing the Citrus Bowl.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:48 am to PurpleSingularity
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a football program with their history
They are the 4th best sec program historically and their results bare that out. Not really surprising.
*Of real sec teams I mean. Not counting the big12 teams masquerading as sec
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:49 am to WG_Dawg
If you only go back to integration they probably aren't even 4th.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:50 am to PurpleSingularity
quote:No it isn't.
Over 26 years without a championship for a football program with their history is insane…
All they have is 1998 and 1951.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:54 am to PurpleSingularity
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Out of the outstanding-elite class?
It's actually very simple and straightforward.
There's not much HS talent in TN compared to Alabama, Georgia, Louisianna, Florida and even Mississippi.
They thrived when UGA wasn't closing on the kids in Georgia back in the 90's. When UGA killed the pipeline of HS talent to UT, it collapsed.
NIL can turn things around though. They are a dedicated fanbase.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:08 pm to PurpleSingularity
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Worse than LSU? Even with mediocre coaching hires LSU has moved past Tennessee quite comfortably…
Uh… sure…
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:12 pm to Mizzoufan26
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Uh… sure…
There has to be a grad student on here who can get a grant to study the psychology of vol fans…hugging so tightly to a tree trunk made of pain, history before 1998, and disappointment that everyone else can see, but they somehow can’t…
It’s quite interesting…at least Nebraska, Minnesota, etc fans have accepted current reality and paradigms…you don’t even have the history of those teams and yet you cling so tightly
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:13 pm to Volsfan82169
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3) The brutal ‘05 season. Preseason top 5 turned into 5-6 and no bowl game 4) The ‘08 season. If Fulmer hadn’t lost the team three years earlier, he had now.
Those fools gold 2004/2007 teams helped fulmer further erode the program.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:16 pm to PurpleSingularity
Sins of Phat Phil coming home to roost.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:17 pm to PurpleSingularity
I don't think Tennessee's issue was coaching hires to be honest.
It was simply about the changing face of college football. They got hit by what Nebraska did... though not QUITE to the same degree.
Both schools don't have the in-state talent to run a top flight program. They required strong pipelines from other states to work. And in the early 2000's those pipelines started to dry up.
Tennessee needed GA, NC and SC kids to have success. They started not being able to dominate those states anymore. EVERYONE realized the talent available in NC and GA and started targeting it. And SC and Clemson both got better and started keeping the SC kids.
NIL might give Tennessee more of a chance to have success recruiting "nationally", but the reality is they don't have the base that many other schools like LSU or OSU or UGA have. They're in a talent poor state. They have to work harder to reach the same level as those schools.
The long and the short of it... Tennessee is not a top tier job.
It was simply about the changing face of college football. They got hit by what Nebraska did... though not QUITE to the same degree.
Both schools don't have the in-state talent to run a top flight program. They required strong pipelines from other states to work. And in the early 2000's those pipelines started to dry up.
Tennessee needed GA, NC and SC kids to have success. They started not being able to dominate those states anymore. EVERYONE realized the talent available in NC and GA and started targeting it. And SC and Clemson both got better and started keeping the SC kids.
NIL might give Tennessee more of a chance to have success recruiting "nationally", but the reality is they don't have the base that many other schools like LSU or OSU or UGA have. They're in a talent poor state. They have to work harder to reach the same level as those schools.
The long and the short of it... Tennessee is not a top tier job.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:19 pm to PurpleSingularity
They had a donor/team owner that threw his weight around and made the coaching hire decisions. He was shown the door after the attempted Schiano hire. He’s now using his football acumen in the nfl with little success.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:20 pm to PurpleSingularity
The fat Phil curse was real.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:24 pm to DawginSC
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I don't think Tennessee's issue was coaching hires to be honest. It was simply about the changing face of college football. They got hit by what Nebraska did... though not QUITE to the same degree. Both schools don't have the in-state talent to run a top flight program. They required strong pipelines from other states to work. And in the early 2000's those pipelines started to dry up. Tennessee needed GA, NC and SC kids to have success. They started not being able to dominate those states anymore. EVERYONE realized the talent available in NC and GA and started targeting it. And SC and Clemson both got better and started keeping the SC kids. NIL might give Tennessee more of a chance to have success recruiting "nationally", but the reality is they don't have the base that many other schools like LSU or OSU or UGA have. They're in a talent poor state. They have to work harder to reach the same level as those schools. The long and the short of it... Tennessee is not a top tier job.
I completely agree with this, I think you nailed it…my next question is why can’t the vols see this/admit to this?
Instead they blame coaches, administrators, the SEC, etc when I think those are secondary to your answer…again, very interesting psychology in this fanbase
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:27 pm to BigScoreboard
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BigScoreboard
Is the quote function too challenging for you?
Every post of yours looks like a boomer chain message.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:28 pm to PurpleSingularity
Tennessee and Auburn had the same thing happen - they took advantage of Alabama being down and dominating them, which allowed Fulmer and Tuberville to stay too long.
Then they went Kiffin, Dooley, Butch and Pruitt. That’s enough to set any program back.
Then they went Kiffin, Dooley, Butch and Pruitt. That’s enough to set any program back.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:32 pm to NickPapageorgio
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There's not much HS talent in TN compared to Alabama, Georgia, Louisianna, Florida and even Mississippi.
That’s changing quickly. The state of Tennessee is growing and so is the level of high school talent.
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