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re: SEC old timers, any thoughts on Shug Jordan?
Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:12 am to 308
Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:12 am to 308
Everyone needs to read about Coach Jordan. He was a very good football coach. The amazing things about him is what he did during World War 2. He was a hero and was wounded during the invasion in Normandy. He refused to report to the aid station until he could finish the mission and account for his men. He reported 3 days later.
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Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:27 am to mwlewis
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Shug didn’t win a national title
Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:42 am to 308
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I always thought he looked like a fine Southern gentleman.
Better human than Shug Knight.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:46 am to 308
Shrug was an American hero.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:48 am to 308
Convicted NCAA cheat that had to to cheat his arse off to win exactly ONE SEC title while on probation. Bryant owned him.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:50 am to 308
Shug Jordan was a good man who as a coach, coached very well, loved the university and his players. He served his nation honorably during WW II in multiple theaters as many did.
If anyone would want to judge that man or persons from his generation with standards from the Milly’s or those calling themselves GenZ’rs, well, many in those groups cower from a pandemic sickness with a more than 96% survivors rate. I’m sure Shug and so many others, just on the invasion beaches, would have loved those odds.
If anyone would want to judge that man or persons from his generation with standards from the Milly’s or those calling themselves GenZ’rs, well, many in those groups cower from a pandemic sickness with a more than 96% survivors rate. I’m sure Shug and so many others, just on the invasion beaches, would have loved those odds.
This post was edited on 12/23/20 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:51 am to mwlewis
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Shug didn’t win a national title
They won the 1957 AP title.
Yes, they were on probation. I know they kicked off a lobbying campaign to get it. I also know they went 10-0 and gave up a total of 28 points in 10 games.
It's as legit as any title from the poll era.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 10:54 am to cajunbama
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Convicted NCAA cheat
So was Bear...
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:03 am to 308
This is random but my Dad's office at Auburn had been Shug's office the year before. Shug retired the year I was born. So when I was a little bitty dude and would sometimes be at the office causing trouble there would almost always be an old timer that would stop by and tell tales. I literally grew up on those stories of Tucker Frederickson, Jimmy Sidle, Red Phillips and all those old timers. Pat Sullivan would also park his car in Dad's space (the office was across the parking lot from the stadium) and the university police wouldn't give him a ticket. :) By all accounts he was a good man. I'm liking to his last Auburn Football Review. Swan Song
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:05 pm to 308
You also need to understand that off the football field and off the recruiting trail Coach Bryant and Coach Jordan weren't mortal, "I hate your guts and want to destroy you enemies." Any more than coaches are now (fans who are consumed with hatred and want blood don't understand that these guys of course compete with each other, hard, but they're also practically fraternity brothers given that they all pretty much have the same agent).
I don't know which recent biography of Coach Bryant it was in, but when Coach Jordan found out his leukemia was terminal, he called Coach Bryant and told him personally, and Coach Bryant was very upset about it, and they met each other in Birmingham, back in an out of the way corner of a place that specialized in adult beverages, had one or two or three or four of those, and said their goodbyes man to man and face to face, as it should be with two legends like that.
I don't know which recent biography of Coach Bryant it was in, but when Coach Jordan found out his leukemia was terminal, he called Coach Bryant and told him personally, and Coach Bryant was very upset about it, and they met each other in Birmingham, back in an out of the way corner of a place that specialized in adult beverages, had one or two or three or four of those, and said their goodbyes man to man and face to face, as it should be with two legends like that.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:13 pm to AUstar
Imo, I don't think coaches are fired on a whim. The game has changed and the environment has changed. You can't give guys years to rebuild a program because people will stop caring. There's so much more to pay attention to/ spend money on other than cfb. If you aren't producing, get out... on to the next
Posted on 12/23/20 at 1:00 pm to 308
You can tell by my posting handle that I'm in the media, covered sports for two decades. Covered Coach Bryant, didn't cover Coach Jordan, he predated me by a couple of years.
I've been told by some old-timers, however, that what you saw wasn't necessarily what you got with those two ... that Coach Bryant could get really emotional about things, would cry at the drop of a hat, and that Coach Jordan really was the prototypical Southern gentleman but when he needed to be, he could do a 180 and be the hardest-nosed, most demanding, arse-kicking SOB on the planet.
I've been told by some old-timers, however, that what you saw wasn't necessarily what you got with those two ... that Coach Bryant could get really emotional about things, would cry at the drop of a hat, and that Coach Jordan really was the prototypical Southern gentleman but when he needed to be, he could do a 180 and be the hardest-nosed, most demanding, arse-kicking SOB on the planet.
This post was edited on 12/23/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 12/23/20 at 3:55 pm to InkStainedWretch
quote:That is a residual trait of a very intense person. I'll bet Saban's that way.
that Coach Bryant could get really emotional about things, would cry at the drop of a hat,
Posted on 12/23/20 at 3:59 pm to 308
Shug was a very good football coach. Unfortunately he spent a lot of time at Auburn the same time Bryant was at Alabama. Regardless he had some fine teams and players.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 4:33 pm to I-59 Tiger
Great coach as well as tested combat vet and hero.
True southern coach as well as Bryant.
Below is a quote from Bryant
"Shug has more courage in his little finger than I've got in my entire body," Paul "Bear" Bryant
True southern coach as well as Bryant.
Below is a quote from Bryant
"Shug has more courage in his little finger than I've got in my entire body," Paul "Bear" Bryant
Posted on 12/23/20 at 6:25 pm to 308
He’s from Selma, Alabama so of course he is a badass. The football stadium still has his name on it. I’ve heard the old folks talk about Shug and not one single bad thing came out of their mouths. He was the epitome of fine southern gentlemen. All of us Selmians are fine southern gentlemen though. Superior genetics or just in the water I guess.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 6:50 pm to 14caratgoldjones
My first trip to Auburn was with my GrandFather to sit in front of Shug and discuss walking on to play football.
To me, there was no other example, other than my Great Grandfather, of a Southern Gentlemen. However, you could tell there was an edge under the surface. Shug asked me to turn around and pull two copies of "Saturday's to Remember" that he co-wrote. While he autographed the copies ...He asked if I would read from the Preface.
"The year was 1950, the dark years. Auburn was 0-10. In his haste to get to practice, a young man realized he had not removed his partial plate. A man, a stranger stepped fro the stands and said "I'll hold your plate son and when you finish, I would like to tell you about Auburn. She's down right now, but we are here to bring her back."
The young man thought ..if it's important enough for a man to hold a player's plate, it must be a special place.
The player was Bobby Freeman, the stranger? was sitting to my right in that office. He wasn't a stranger ...But I realized the history between these two.
I blew out my knee three weeks later sliding into second base with Philly Scouts attending, just to see me catch. They had seen me a week before, playing Left Field.
My Grandfather played on Shug's Freshman Team. He blew out his knee on a punt return against Georgia. Shug had him stay and work with the team ....As a future coach.
Both went to war. Granddad was coaching high school ball in Birmingham when he got the call from Shug. "I've just been named Head Coach at Auburn and I need help." Every thing recruited from 1950 to 1960 was in the hands of the man who took me to Auburn.
The year? Granddad asked "What do expect from the team this year?" Shug replied "We'll be lucky to win three." Shug smiled and told me ....get your Granddad to come back, we won with him leading the way.
Week after week a slugfest ....week after week, victories mounting. LSU clobbered us in Deaf Valley. 35-7 ...the only loss.
Alabama was convinced they had it in the bag. Ahead 16-0 third quarter. Field goal, then the fat lady sang ....for eternity "Punt BAMA Punt"
Til this day the Amazin's remain one of a kind.
To me, there was no other example, other than my Great Grandfather, of a Southern Gentlemen. However, you could tell there was an edge under the surface. Shug asked me to turn around and pull two copies of "Saturday's to Remember" that he co-wrote. While he autographed the copies ...He asked if I would read from the Preface.
"The year was 1950, the dark years. Auburn was 0-10. In his haste to get to practice, a young man realized he had not removed his partial plate. A man, a stranger stepped fro the stands and said "I'll hold your plate son and when you finish, I would like to tell you about Auburn. She's down right now, but we are here to bring her back."
The young man thought ..if it's important enough for a man to hold a player's plate, it must be a special place.
The player was Bobby Freeman, the stranger? was sitting to my right in that office. He wasn't a stranger ...But I realized the history between these two.
I blew out my knee three weeks later sliding into second base with Philly Scouts attending, just to see me catch. They had seen me a week before, playing Left Field.
My Grandfather played on Shug's Freshman Team. He blew out his knee on a punt return against Georgia. Shug had him stay and work with the team ....As a future coach.
Both went to war. Granddad was coaching high school ball in Birmingham when he got the call from Shug. "I've just been named Head Coach at Auburn and I need help." Every thing recruited from 1950 to 1960 was in the hands of the man who took me to Auburn.
The year? Granddad asked "What do expect from the team this year?" Shug replied "We'll be lucky to win three." Shug smiled and told me ....get your Granddad to come back, we won with him leading the way.
Week after week a slugfest ....week after week, victories mounting. LSU clobbered us in Deaf Valley. 35-7 ...the only loss.
Alabama was convinced they had it in the bag. Ahead 16-0 third quarter. Field goal, then the fat lady sang ....for eternity "Punt BAMA Punt"
Til this day the Amazin's remain one of a kind.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:02 pm to InkStainedWretch
Had a couple of guys from my high school who were walk-ons in 1971. In practices they said everyone knew when Shug would raise his left fist and raise his voice that it was well time to shut up and listen closely.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:04 pm to AUstar
Shug's a damn good man. 
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:21 pm to 308
The greatest MAN ever to coach a football team in the SEC or anywhere else. Defined what us dinosaurs call an “Auburn Man.”
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