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re: SEC Officials just can’t admit they screwed up.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 6:00 am to TDFreak
Posted on 5/26/24 at 6:00 am to TDFreak
While I agree with you on SEC officials. This pretty much holds true for most sports but the worst offenders are in Baseball. Baseball more so than any other sport historically their game officials interject themselves into the game. All the way from messing with fans to the sometimes over the top demonstrative actions of the home plate umpire. What I especially hate is how a umpire can make a mistake or see a mistake was made on the field such as a runner miss touching a base. Instead of the umpire calling the runner out they keep their mouth shut knowing the runner missed a base. It is the other team that must point out this mistake. It is almost like a cop seeing someone rob a bank but doing nothing until the bank manager points out to them.
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 6:01 am to Gorilla Ball
I was arguing that he did not send the runner intentionally to engage this whole thing, not that he wanted the call to go his way.
I think I misinterpreted the reply from the poster I quoted originally.
I think I misinterpreted the reply from the poster I quoted originally.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:08 am to captdalton
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It may be a shitty rule. But based on the rule, it was the correct call. It was a live pitch and the catcher caught it before it got to the plate, thus completely interfering with the batter’s ability to swing at it.
Except the batter stepped out of box
Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:30 am to captdalton
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It may be a shitty rule. But based on the rule, it was the correct call. It was a live pitch and the catcher caught it before it got to the plate,
If you watch the play again (and trust me, I have) and per the rule, he can't step on the plate OR cross in front of the plate before he has the ball in his mitt. Neither of those things happened.
Neal caught the pitch and posted up on the back side of Home and only had his shin guard touch the plate well after he had possession of the ball.
The original call of out was correct. What needs to be looked at was HOW the umpires were made aware of the ruling and subsequently changed the call on the field well into/after a whole arse commercial break.
Who made the call to reverse an unreviewable play?
I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:41 am to captdalton
BS.......there is no rule covering catching the ball before the plate .....
I thought maybe there was a rule concerning the end of the catcher's box. However, the ball was caught before the catcher's foot comes down beside the plate ....not in front of and not on top of .....
Plate Ump was clearly blocked. He didn't see anything. The gathering of blue should have told BIRMINGHAM they needed to get on the phone.
When the plate ump asked anyone see anything? Blank stares ....
There was no balk call. Pitcher never changed his delivery. Catcher doesn't touch the ground until the ball is in his glove or almost there ......No balk on the catcher ......These geese ....didn't know what to call!.
I pulled this stunt one time as a coach. First baseman crashed because he missed the signal. Catcher came out on the bunt and fired to the first baseman up the line. First baseman waited for the runner to reach him before tagging him out. Ump called safe! I yelled Time, plate Umpire granted me time. First base umpire screams at me "One more word you are out of here!" Hadn't said anything yet.. Looked at the Plate Ump"You granted me time correct?" "Yes" "This game is now under protest" Waked to the backstop. The entire tournament committee is seated there ...."Folks., I'm about to "f" up your tournament." Explained why the first base ump was wrong, the only rules that may apply but were 'not met ..Signed the book and went back to the dugout ......Runner was declared out and the game continued.
I thought maybe there was a rule concerning the end of the catcher's box. However, the ball was caught before the catcher's foot comes down beside the plate ....not in front of and not on top of .....
Plate Ump was clearly blocked. He didn't see anything. The gathering of blue should have told BIRMINGHAM they needed to get on the phone.
When the plate ump asked anyone see anything? Blank stares ....
There was no balk call. Pitcher never changed his delivery. Catcher doesn't touch the ground until the ball is in his glove or almost there ......No balk on the catcher ......These geese ....didn't know what to call!.
I pulled this stunt one time as a coach. First baseman crashed because he missed the signal. Catcher came out on the bunt and fired to the first baseman up the line. First baseman waited for the runner to reach him before tagging him out. Ump called safe! I yelled Time, plate Umpire granted me time. First base umpire screams at me "One more word you are out of here!" Hadn't said anything yet.. Looked at the Plate Ump"You granted me time correct?" "Yes" "This game is now under protest" Waked to the backstop. The entire tournament committee is seated there ...."Folks., I'm about to "f" up your tournament." Explained why the first base ump was wrong, the only rules that may apply but were 'not met ..Signed the book and went back to the dugout ......Runner was declared out and the game continued.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:48 am to LSURulzSEC
Plate Ump gets blocked 9 times out of 10 in that situation. He can't see everything. He didn't see the position of the catcher's feet. Didn't see the batter bail out ....
Batter has no bearing on a pitched ball. Didn't call time and bail.
Trouble was, when asking the group he got three black stares in return. Reviewable or not .......Birmingham has the tape, It's their tournament ......look and decide ....You've got stands full of people ready to climb the fence .....
Batter has no bearing on a pitched ball. Didn't call time and bail.
Trouble was, when asking the group he got three black stares in return. Reviewable or not .......Birmingham has the tape, It's their tournament ......look and decide ....You've got stands full of people ready to climb the fence .....
Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:55 am to TDFreak
The SEC has had a serious problem with garbage officials for at least 20 years. It's sadly on display every year with every sport. Last night was just the latest outrage.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:06 am to MsState of mind
1. Yes, the batter can swing
2. The catcher did not step on or in front of home plate.
… they missed the call in a critical game moment.
Didn’t matter in the end.
2. The catcher did not step on or in front of home plate.
… they missed the call in a critical game moment.
Didn’t matter in the end.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:38 am to TDFreak
A million times up vote for this blaten obvious FACT.
To error is human to be a SEC Official and admit a mistake AIN'T in the SEC RULE BOOK!
To error is human to be a SEC Official and admit a mistake AIN'T in the SEC RULE BOOK!
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:52 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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The worst part was commentators
The commentators were pretty adamant that it was the wrong call. The rules official immediately led with “I’m not discussing the call”, so that pretty much seals that it was wrong. SEC has no issue commentating when it’s right.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:28 am to bluedragon
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Plate Ump gets blocked 9 times out of 10 in that situation. He can't see everything. He didn't see the position of the catcher's feet. Didn't see the batter bail out ....
And yet, signaled an out
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:40 am to MsState of mind
Wrong
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:38 am to bluedragon
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BS.......there is no rule covering catching the ball before the plate .....
You sure about that?
Here is the definition of a strike by the NCAA.
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SECTION 4. A strike is: a. A legal pitch struck at by the batter without the ball touching the bat; b. A legal pitch that enters the strike zone (see definition and diagram in Rule 2) in flight and is not struck at; Note 1: The plate umpire should determine if the pitch is a strike in relationship to the batter’s normal position as the pitch crosses home plate. Any part of the ball passing over any part of the plate, from the bottom of the kneecaps to the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, is a strike. The pitch should be judged to be a strike or a ball as it crosses home plate, not where it is caught by the catcher. Note 2: If a pitched ball strikes the ground in front of the batter and the batter swings at it, the ball is in play if hit and a strike if missed.
For a pitch to be called a ball or strike it has to cross the plate. If the catcher catches the pitch before it reaches the plate, it isn’t a pitch. It is a balk.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:41 am to AtlantaLSUfan
Rule 6.02 (b) says nothing like that. What are you talking about?
The batter can leave at any time and it’s a ball or strike based on umpires call (rule 7.01b), AND, the batter is allowed to leave the box any time a defensive player attempts to make a play on a runner at any base (rule 7.01 (d.1.d)).
The batter can leave at any time and it’s a ball or strike based on umpires call (rule 7.01b), AND, the batter is allowed to leave the box any time a defensive player attempts to make a play on a runner at any base (rule 7.01 (d.1.d)).
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:49 am to TDFreak
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That’s the SEC for you.
"It just means more...(blatantly bad calls)"
Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:32 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
That call was wrong for so many reasons.
Easily the worst call I can remember in nearly 50 years of watching baseball
Easily the worst call I can remember in nearly 50 years of watching baseball
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