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Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:23 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:23 pm to Irons Puppet
threads like this are pointless until everyone gets into the meat of SEC play that said...it'll most likely be Georgia vs the Iron Bowl winner again
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:25 pm to randomways
Bama almost had as many 5 stars on their roster last year as lsu, auburn, and uga combined.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:32 pm to meansonny
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Your theory implies that Jake Coker is great. Or that Blake Sims is great. Or that Nick Marshall should be playing quarterback in the NFL. Or that the combination of Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson is one of the best dual threats in college football lore. Or that Greg McElroy is great. Or that Tim Tebow shouldn't be playing minor league baseball right now.
No, I said that Bama's overall talent allowed them to be the exception, but they even had McCarron to prove my point. The SEC hasn't had many above average QBs the last 10 years, those who were made their teams competitive, more so then any RB in the league. Look at UGAs, AK, LSU, TN and AU. They have had great RBs during that timeframe and AU is the only one the NC Hardware. Take McCarron, Tebow, Cam away for the SECC/NC teams and what would you have ?
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:35 pm to randomways
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My guys are Vandy.
You also have posted pro Bama post on multiple occasions so I assume you have some Roll Tide in you.
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But you do know what development is, right?
Gee and how many were those #1's and 2#'s were 3 stars or below?
Once again there's only so much development you can do with limited practice hours and sometimes only 3 years of eligibility.Saban is obviously a damn good coach but there's only so much "developing" any coach or staff can do with the current realities of CFB.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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Take McCarron, Tebow, Cam away for the SECC/NC teams and what would you have ?
Take away Cam Newton and Tebow's ability to run and what would you have? Alabama would have likely been fine without McCarron. They have won NCs with very average QBs, several of them actually.
Take away the running game from Auburn and Florida and you essentially have what Ole Miss was for two years.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:31 pm to lsufball19
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ake away Cam Newton and Tebow's ability to run and what would you have? Alabama would have likely been fine without McCarron. They have won NCs with very average QBs, several of them actually.
Take away the running game from Auburn and Florida and you essentially have what Ole Miss was for two years.
Cam was underused as a passer by Gus, and he will tell you that. We see how he can throw the ball in the NFL (you are not an NFL MVP as just a running QB). Tebow still played in the NFL and started some games. Both players played in a scheme were the HCs wanted them to run more.
McCarron was underused as a passer because Saban liked to run the ball an play D. McCarron kept UA in the "kick six" game with his arm.
Take away LSUs running game and you essentially have Vandy.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:41 pm to Irons Puppet
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No, I said that Bama's overall talent allowed them to be the exception, but they even had McCarron to prove my point. The SEC hasn't had many above average QBs the last 10 years, those who were made their teams competitive, more so then any RB in the league. Look at UGAs, AK, LSU, TN and AU. They have had great RBs during that timeframe and AU is the only one the NC Hardware. Take McCarron, Tebow, Cam away for the SECC/NC teams and what would you have ?
While I may not agree with you, you are making good points. I mean, I do believe that having a solid to good QB is necessary to win. I still believe RB is the more important position to have a great player in college.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:52 pm to DawgsLife
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While I may not agree with you, you are making good points. I mean, I do believe that having a solid to good QB is necessary to win. I still believe RB is the more important position to have a great player in college.
And I will say that the RB was the most important position on Offense 10 years ago (Same with the NFL 20 YEARS ago). The game has evolved or rule changes have forced the emphasis on success to be on the QBs. I think the WRs are ahead of the RBs in importance in today's game.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:03 pm to Irons Puppet
8 pages of OP defending his position. A good quarterback certainly makes it easier to move the ball and score points for sure but there are usually less than a handful of truly elite quarterbacks each year. "Most" of the time the team that wins the running game wins the game. What I mean is that whoever runs better and stops the run better wins the game.
Your own Pat Dye a few years ago stated that the key to winning football games is still the same as it has always been. Block, run and tackle. Sure a guy like Mayfield or Manziel can take over a game and win with elite passing skills but most of the time it is the team that runs and plays defense that wins championships. Just look at the last 10 national champions with of course Bama winning roughly half of them with elite defense and a stable of monsters at running back.
Your own Pat Dye a few years ago stated that the key to winning football games is still the same as it has always been. Block, run and tackle. Sure a guy like Mayfield or Manziel can take over a game and win with elite passing skills but most of the time it is the team that runs and plays defense that wins championships. Just look at the last 10 national champions with of course Bama winning roughly half of them with elite defense and a stable of monsters at running back.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:11 pm to Commander Data
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Your own Pat Dye a few years ago stated that the key to winning football games is still the same as it has always been. Block, run and tackle. Sure a guy like Mayfield or Manziel can take over a game and win with elite passing skills but most of the time it is the team that runs and plays defense that wins championships. Just look at the last 10 national champions with of course Bama winning roughly half of them with elite defense and a stable of monsters at running back.
Pat Dye wouldn't change his mind about running the ball if he had Tom Brady as his QB. Remember, this is a coach that had Bo Jackson in the backfield and continue to run the wishbone. If he had any real passing game in 1983, they would have won the NC.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:54 pm to Irons Puppet
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Cam was underused as a passer by Gus, and he will tell you that.
He won a national title. I think he was used just fine
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We see how he can throw the ball in the NFL
Not well for the majority of his career
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Tebow still played in the NFL and started some games
How did that ultimately work out for him? Tebow would not have been a star in college as a pocket passer
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McCarron was underused as a passer because Saban liked to run the ball an play D. McCarron kept UA in the "kick six" game with his arm.
I think Saban knows how to use players appropriately to win
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Take away LSUs running game and you essentially have Vandy.
You literally just made my point
LSU was a national title contender every year for about a decade with mostly above average to poor QB play.This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:09 pm to Irons Puppet
I did some research-and yes it was cursory- but I found the following.
Every single team that has won the SEC or a NC since 2006 but one has led the conference in allowing the fewest in one of these four categories
Defensive rushing attempts allowed.
Defensive yards rushing
Defensive yards per rush
Defensive rushing TDs.
The only exception was 2013 Auburn of course.
Again this is not meant to conclusive but I think it lends credence to the notion that the best way to win championships in the SEC is to stop the other teams rushing attack.
Every single team that has won the SEC or a NC since 2006 but one has led the conference in allowing the fewest in one of these four categories
Defensive rushing attempts allowed.
Defensive yards rushing
Defensive yards per rush
Defensive rushing TDs.
The only exception was 2013 Auburn of course.
Again this is not meant to conclusive but I think it lends credence to the notion that the best way to win championships in the SEC is to stop the other teams rushing attack.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:58 pm to lsufball19
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Take away LSUs running game and you essentially have Vandy.
You literally just made my point LSU was a national title contender every year for about a decade with mostly above average to poor QB play.
I was talking more recent history.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:57 pm to Irons Puppet
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I was talking more recent history.
You're still making my point...
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:00 pm to lsufball19
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You're still making my point...
When was the last time LSU was a National Contender in November ?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:09 pm to Irons Puppet
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When was the last time LSU was a National Contender in November ?
2015 they were undefeated and #2 in the country in November. Is that recent enough for you?
Regardless, LSU had terrible QB. No one said you can win without being able to throw the ball at all. The argument is you can't win without a strong running game and run defense. Nothing about LSU refutes that point.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:36 pm to lsufball19
How did that end?
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:10 am to Irons Puppet
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The game has evolved or rule changes have forced the emphasis on success to be on the QBs. I think the WRs are ahead of the RBs in importance in today's game.
I would disagree strongly with this statement. A RB will touch the ball 15-25 times a game. A WR maybe 4-6 times on average.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:24 am to RD Dawg
quote:You're wrong about this. Players on the elite teams are involved in "voluntary" programs throughout the year. Their dietary regimen, weight program, etc. ar monitored closely..hell, the S@C coaches spend more time with them than anybody. Often times a kid that comes into the program as a freshman at Alabama, doesn't even resemble the man that leaves...seriously!
Once again there's only so much development you can do with limited practice hours and sometimes only 3 years of eligibility.Saban is obviously a damn good coach but there's only so much "developing" any coach or staff can do with the current realities of CFB.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:42 am to coachcrisp
quote:The high importance placed on Bama's players to "buy in" can't be stressed enough. I have a feeling Kirby is using some of the same team management techniques at UGA.
You're wrong about this. Players on the elite teams are involved in "voluntary" programs throughout the year. Their dietary regimen, weight program, etc. ar monitored closely..hell, the S@C coaches spend more time with them than anybody. Often times a kid that comes into the program as a freshman at Alabama, doesn't even resemble the man that leaves...seriously!
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