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re: SEC 7-1 Conference Schedule Model - One permanent opponent

Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:38 pm to
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:38 pm to
And division record should decide who wins each division.
Posted by NickPapageorgio
Yuma, AZ
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

You do a 9 game conference schedule.


If you do pods and a 9 game confernce schedule.

You can actually keep every rivalry imaginable while rotating through every other SEC school on the schedule every six years with home/homes.

You just keep one permanent school from each of the other pods. So even if UGA/AU aren't in the same pod, they always are guaranteed to play anyway. Same with A&M/LSU or Ark/TX or UT/UK. All while creating relatively equal schedules using rotating divisions.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 4:43 pm
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8433 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:46 pm to
This is my idea/plan as well.
Posted by FatHoginTexas
Member since Apr 2021
100 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:55 pm to
SEC should go to a 6 game conference schedule, since the playoff committee doesn’t care about strength of schedule, just win/loss record.
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
7844 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

SEC should go to a 6 game conference schedule, since the playoff committee doesn’t care about strength of schedule, just win/loss record.
the committee* killed the CFP when it laughingly "invited" a 6-0 OHST into the 2021 "invitational" anyways - so you're probably right about 6 conference games -

that 6-0 team got it's arse kicked 52-24 by Alabama - too -
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
30898 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 5:55 pm to
Hell, I’d be all for a 10 game SEC schedule. How amazing would that be.

We’re going like the NFL anyways so 3-4 loss teams will be in a 16 team playoff.

2 non conference games. 1 P4 1 non

Posted by REBEL5 AC
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 6:51 pm to
Dibs on our perm being MSU
Posted by rolltideroyalty
Member since Dec 2024
81 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 7:44 pm to
The only way the SEC should move to a nine-game schedule is if CFP bids are fully guaranteed... even if it’s just two at-large spots. Otherwise, stick with eight.

If they want to guarantee all bids (Which I hate), then who cares if we beat each other up?

In that scenario, why schedule out-of-conference games at all?

Consider 2022 LSU, which reached the SEC Championship with three losses over a two-loss Alabama because LSU’s third loss was out of conference. If we do it by Sec ranking that 2022 team would get in over Bama... Some BS

If bids are guaranteed, we might as well move to an 11-game conference schedule, since out-of-conference matchups become meaningless.

But what happens to rivalries like South Carolina–Clemson or Georgia–Georgia Tech?

We either need to count out-of-conference games in SEC standings or keep CFP bids strictly at large.
Posted by rolltideroyalty
Member since Dec 2024
81 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 7:51 pm to
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IDGAF if it creates unbalanced schedules or if some teams might need more or less permanent rivals than others.


This is exactly the kind of Sankey-ESQUE thinking that's created major imbalances and will continue to do so.

If a couple teams have to sacrifice playing their 3rd most important rivalry every year...

for balanced scheduling AND still playing them every other year.

Than thats what needs to happen.

But there have been about 10 suggestions on this board just today and yesterday that keep the most all these rivalries and provide balance.

Why do we have to be so lazy about this when we can get what we all want.
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

We either need to count out-of-conference games in SEC standings or keep CFP bids strictly at large.
Interesting idea.

I'd be okay with it limited to P4 OOC games, and an immediate DQ from participating in the SECCG if you lose to a G5 or FCS team.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 7:58 pm to
I would hope for two to preserve the IB and Uga, but one is fine if there is a good rotation of the rest, or put Uga on a quicker rotation.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
4519 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:00 pm to
Who was the SEC commissioner when they decided to expand to 12? I blame that guy.
Posted by rolltideroyalty
Member since Dec 2024
81 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:05 pm to
If we stay in a format with at large bids...We keep 8 Games.. 2 Perm rivalries and remaining 6 are computer generated. With each team being graded by winning % over last 3 years... So every team gets a relatively even random draw.

If they're going to guarantee all the bids we should move to 11 games make 1 out of conference power 4 game mandatory and include it into SEC rankings( so out of conference rivalries still exist).

With 10 games we can do Tri states pods
quote:

ALA - AUB, MSU, UTK
ARK - LSU, OM, UTA
AUB - ALA, UGA, UV
UGA - USC, AUB, UF
UF - UGA, UK, UTK
UK - UF, MIZ, MSU
LSU - ARK, TAMU, OM
MSU - OM, UK, ALA
MIZ - OU, UK, USC
OM - MSU, LSU, ARK
OU - UTA, MIZ, TAMU
USC - UGA, UV, MIZ
UTA - OU, TAMU, ARK
UTK - ALA, UV, UF
TAMU - UTA, LSU, OU
UV - AUB, UTK, USC


and then use the winning % based random draw for the remaining 8 games

Problem solved
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 11:10 am
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39565 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:06 pm to
Pods are an option

An example:
Pod A plays their own pod mates (3 teams), and three teams from Pod B. One team from Pod B will be a permanent opponent, the other three will rotate in at two per year (so 3/4 of the teams from that pod will be played each year). The other two league game will be half of Pod C or D. Then the other half after two years.

No matter, it’s 8 games total
( 3 + 3 + 2 ) 4 home / away

The SEC would then go to semifinals with the pods that didn’t face off in the regular season meeting in them. So it would be Pod A versus Pod C or Pod D, never Pod B.



I would divide the pods like this:
(Permanent rival)


Pod A

Texas (Aggie)
Oklahoma (Ole Miss)
Mizzou (MSU)
Arkansas (LSU)


Pod B

LSU (Arkansas)
Aggie (Texas)
Ole Miss (Oklahoma)
Moo State (Mizzou)


Pod C

Alabama (Tennessee)
Auburn (Georgia)
Vandy (Kentucky)
South Carolina (Florida)


Pod D

Georgia (Auburn)
Florida (USCe)
Tennessee (Alabama)
Kentucky (Vandy)
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39565 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:06 pm to
How would a schedule look?


An example for LSU year 1 and 2

Pod A
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)

Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State

Pod C
Alabama
USCe



An example for LSU year 3 and 4

Pod A
Texas
Mizzou
Arkansas (permanent)

Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State

Pod C
Auburn
Vandy



An example for LSU year 5 and 6

Pod A
Mizzou
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)

Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State

Pod D
Georgia
Kentucky



An example for LSU year 7 and 8

Pod A
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)

Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State

Pod D
Florida
Tennessee



You see every team at least twice in an 8 year span.
Posted by AbSnopes
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2020
1068 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:20 pm to
quote:

SEC 7-1 Conference Schedule Model


Stick at 8 only if we set up at least 1 preferably 2 conference challenges. Everybody in the SEC plays a Big10 team and either an ACC or Big 12 team. That leaves 2 or 3 buy games, but most importantly we don’t give media idiots with an an anti-SEC agenda a chance to campaign against us. In hoops that happens, and this year the SEC going 14-2 over the ACC settled which conference is better. Right now, the media is saying the Big 10 “dominated” the SEC this year. If the full SEC played the full Big 10, we would get a real sense of whose schedule is tougher.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
59924 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:21 pm to
Of course it's a Bammer whining about "muh schedule needs to be completely fair at all times" as if every single rival you have is always going to be good. Yeah all those scary Tennessee and Auburn teams you'd get every year are always just too tough. Let's just ignore all the awful seasons they've had the last 10-12 years. Poor little Bammer needs a Vandy to make it fair!!!! Give me a break.


quote:

Why do we have to be so lazy about this when we can get what we all want.


Demanding you only get 1 or 2 permanent rivals to "make it fair" is by far the laziest way you can possibly do it.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 10:59 pm
Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
20885 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 7:37 am to
quote:

Protected cross division rivalries:

-UTK/Bama
-UGA/Barn
-UTK/FLA
-Bama/LSU


Tennessee/Florida is a "rivalry" that was manufactured by the addition of divisions in the 1990s. Between 1956 and 1989 (34 seasons), they played each other 7 times. Heck...between the first SEC football season and 1989 (56 seasons), they played each other a total of 14 times. That's an average of once every 4 years. That isn't a "traditional rivalry".

Who has Tennessee played more in the SEC than Florida?

Tennessee games vs SEC Opponents (not including OU/Texas since they are new to the conference):

Bama - 91
Arkansas - 17
Auburn - 52
Florida - 49
Georgia - 43
Kentucky - 92
LSU - 32
Ole Miss - 57
MSU - 35
MIZZOU - 12
USCe - 32
aTm - 3
Vandy - 90

So...outside of the division you created for them...Bama, Ole Miss, and Auburn would be the three biggest rivals.

Also...for Florida, the teams they have played are:
Bama - 34
Arkansas - 12
Auburn - 72
UGA - 91
UK - 71
LSU - 71
Ole Miss - 25
MSU - 53
MIZZOU - 12
USC3 - 32
UT - 49
aTm - 5
Vandy - 57

Florida's biggest SEC Rivals outside of your division would be: Auburn, UK, and Vandy.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
18413 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:11 am to
quote:

The real solution was to never expand the quality conference we had to include 4 Big 12 teams but nobody can change that.
that part

the only solution is to add four more teams:

Baylor
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech

then set up the divisions like this:

Southwest
Arky
Baylor
Houston
Mizzou
Oklahoma
SCarolina
Texas
TAMU
TCU
Texas Tech

SouthEast
Bama
AU
Florida
UGa
Kentucky
LSU
Ole Kiff
MSU
Tennessee
Vandy

play all 9 of your divisional opponents w/no crossover

no conference championship game

each division winner gets an auto bid into the CFP

Posted by n64ra
Member since Jul 2024
1427 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:15 am to
Hell no. Texas needs to play both OU and aggy each season. Preferably Arkansas as well.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 8:16 am
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