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re: SC hiring Paul is equivalent to the Les Miles hire by Kansas.

Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:10 pm to
Posted by TigerLawProf
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:10 pm to
More like Lou Holtz being hired by South Carolina.
Posted by Geaux Guy
Member since Dec 2018
6049 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:13 pm to
Even more similar to their hire of Lou Holtz. That didn’t work out too well. I’m not sure this is all fact based.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:46 pm to
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More like Lou Holtz being hired by South Carolina


not sure that’s a good comp either.

Carolina had one 9 win season in their entire history pre-Lou Holtz.

not sure there is a really good comp to this hire.


Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:48 pm to
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Even more similar to their hire of Lou Holtz. That didn’t work out too well.


Lou Holtz was winning more games per year there than anyone in the previous 20 years did.

not anything amazing, but pretty good by their standards.
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
39212 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:51 pm to
Les was detrimental to the progress of our football program. Granted he pulled in some talent but had issues getting that talent to work cohesively and consistently win big games. He sucked in the progression of developing QB talent.
Posted by Morpheus
In your Dreams
Member since Apr 2022
6237 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:16 pm to
I just don’t see him being prepared for the NIL movement.
Shite isn’t the same as it was 3 years ago.
He better get a hungry young staff of coaches that get todays game or it will be a short lived stint out east.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
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60789 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:32 pm to
I'd say it's more along the lines of LSU hiring Van Chancellor.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131310 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:44 pm to
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Two of those people don’t stand to gain anything by saying otherwise. And one of them has no reason to know otherwise.

The fourth may or may not know differently.

Occam’s razor is on my side…
Posted by BayouBaw84
Member since Oct 2016
2907 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:22 pm to
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Well I expect SC not to have any players over 6ft tall
He will win a NC at South Carolina. Johnson has only won with his players.
This post was edited on 6/12/24 at 7:19 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59561 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:32 pm to
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He'll be 70 in 3 years. I'd be willing to bet you he'll coach less than 4 years.



Les Miles coached 2 years at Kansas.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
13431 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:38 pm to
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Good solid men(for the most part)
We found out Les is a scumbag. Paul is a good man.
Posted by LSUFanMizeWay
Picayune MS
Member since Sep 2014
6206 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:16 am to
I never liked Paul Mainieri as coach of LSU, he played Mosquito Ball instead of Gorilla Ball and always threw his players under the bus.
I hope he drives South Carolina to the bottom of the SEC and burns out again of coaching.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
60789 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:03 am to
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Les Miles coached 2 years at Kansas.


That's because he was fired.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47373 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:06 am to
Only an idiot would hire Paul Mainieri, at 66, to be the future of the program. I think USC must be looking for someone to temporarily lead the program while they find, or wait for, the right guy. If that's the case, then Paul Mainieri is the perfect coach. He's a great baseball coach and a great man who will bring class to any program. Unfortunately, he's out of his prime.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47373 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:10 am to
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If you're right about this then it means that Mainieri lied about it, Scott Woodward lied about it, Skip Bertman lied about it and Jay Johnson lied and continues to lie about it.

He is right about it, and yes, those guys lied about it. LSU baseball had turned ugly, and it was as painful to watch as late-years Jim Mora Saints football. CPM was pushed out as everyone close to the program knows, one of whom told me.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
36387 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:11 am to
Exactly what I thought as well. He is a stop gap
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32172 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:19 am to
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I never liked Paul Mainieri as coach of LSU, he played Mosquito Ball instead of Gorilla Ball and always threw his players under the bus.
I hope he drives South Carolina to the bottom of the SEC and burns out again of coaching.


In 15 years the guy won a National Championship, played for another, went to five CWS and only missed the postseason twice (his first season during a rebuild and another year where LSU kind of got hosed) and you "never" liked him?

Paul didn't single-handedly choose to go away from the "Gorilla ball" approach of the 1990's. The NCAA significantly changed the bats in 2010 which cut the HR rate nearly in half in 1 year. That, coupled with the greater emphasis in cracking down on steroids at all levels in the 2000's led to all of that throughout baseball. Skips teams had a lot of juiced up dudes swinging ridiculously light metal bats. Certainly, I'm not saying he was "wrong" in that approach. Everyone was doing the same thing. LSU was just much better at it. But the game changed.

If you want to say things had gotten stale with Paul toward the end of his career and it looked like the level of his success had plateaued (maybe even started to decline), I'd agree. If you want to say he didn't fully adapt when the HR started to become a bigger part of the game again, I'd also agree. But to say you "never" liked the second most successful HC in the history of LSU baseball is ridiculous.
Posted by ramchallenge
Member since Nov 2009
3398 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:29 am to
All the best to him beginning anew at age 66, but 3 years ago he was burned out mentally and physically, with health issues and some depression after his father passed, failed to recruit, and was drained. Will be a big challenge for him. Maybe the plan is to develop Terry Rooney as the next head coach?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32172 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:50 am to
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All the best to him beginning anew at age 66, but 3 years ago he was burned out mentally and physically, with health issues and some depression after his father passed, failed to recruit, and was drained. Will be a big challenge for him. Maybe the plan is to develop Terry Rooney as the next head coach?


He did sign Crews, Floyd, Morgan, Beloso, Travinski, Milazo, Thompson, Dugas, in his final seasons....all of whom were core pieces in the 2023 championship. So it's hard to say he completely "failed to recruit". I think the burnout was compounded by the crushing expectations that come with being the LSU HC. LSU went to the championship series in 2017. After that they went to the Super Regionals 2x and a Regional. At most places that is a very successful stretch. Including South Carolina over the last 10 years. LSU is not most places. I'm sure it can be stressful when really good isn't good enough.

I never got the sense Paul truly wanted to leave in 2021. He just saw the relationship between he and the supporters had kind of run its course and there wasn't rabid fan support for him as there was earlier in his career. So he was allowed to leave on his own terms in order to avoid the inevitable disappointment of being told to leave.

Now he gets to go to a really good program with good support with probably a renewed sense of enthusiasm and a fanbase that won't (at least early on) have crushing expectations. Best case scenario he gets a few more years of enjoyment coaching baseball and elevates USC back to a CWS appearance or two...which they would be very happy with considering they haven't been there since 2012. There will definitely be stress with the job. But nothing like at LSU.
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
6235 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:23 am to
Just mental when it comes to offense.
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