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re: Ranking every SEC program’s current situation
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:18 am to ColoradoElkHerd
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:18 am to ColoradoElkHerd
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Op forgot Aggies beat them
Yep. Then lost your coach and became Grand Central Station for the portal.
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:35 am to AUTiger789
But...but...but...the piglets insist that they have a better program than Mizzou in every way...but don't win the games.
LMAO
I believe it's a fair question that the current Mizzou success can be sustained.
LMAO
I believe it's a fair question that the current Mizzou success can be sustained.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:48 am to Mizzou Mule
Despite Arkansas’ recent struggles lately, Arkansas is still the better program. Arkansas is in the top 25 in all-time wins and is regarded as a top 25 all-time program. Mizzou is neither of those, and Mizzou fans can’t stand it. Congrats on your Super Bowl wins against us in our worst years.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:56 am to BevoBucks
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That’s actually Lane now. 2 ten win seasons in last 3.
Freeze took over an Ole Miss program that had won just six total games in the two years before his arrival.
He was 9-17 against Top 25 opponents compared to Kiffin who is currently sitting at 5-9… meaning Freeze had a much more difficult schedule than what Lane has faced…. Playing 26 Top 25 opponents in five seasons (5.2/year) while Kiffin has played just 14 in four seasons (3.5/year).
Considering the state of the program at the time they each arrived and also the difficulty in opponents each had to face, Freeze’s record is more impressive IMO.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:58 am to AUTiger789
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Considering the state of the program at the time they each arrived and also the difficulty in opponents each had to face, Freeze’s record is more impressive IMO.
Freeze had money bags when NIL did not exist.
They are both equal in their accomplishments
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:59 am to Lord of the Hogs
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Despite Arkansas’ recent struggles lately, Arkansas is still the better program. Arkansas is in the top 25 in all-time wins and is regarded as a top 25 all-time program.
Arkansas had a ton of success in the ‘60s up through the ‘80s. Which is why they have a Top 25 all time program to this day. Unfortunately for the Pigs, the state doesn’t produce enough talent, and with Texas and Oklahoma schools now in the SEC, they’ve lost their recruiting advantage to dip into those states and take big recruits.
I think Arkansas is the toughest place to win in the SEC other than Vandy.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:03 am to AUTiger789
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1. Georgia
They’ve got the most talent.
wrong answer, at least according to leading recruiting source On3...
2023 Team Talent Composite: College football elites reign supreme as Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State lead the way
The Crimson Tide have ranked No. 1 in this metric all but two years of its existence (2018, 2020). But even by those lofty standards, their 2023 roster is historically talented. The average player on Alabama’s roster had recruit average of 94.49, which is the highest mark in Team Talent Composite history.
For context, a 94.49 rating would equate to the average player on Alabama’s roster ranking as the No. 100 overall player in the country most years. The Crimson Tide are ridiculously loaded on paper.
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:11 am to ManBearSharkReb
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Take away freezes wins against bama and he’s David Cutcliffe.
“Take away his two biggest wins that Kiffin has not been able to duplicate…”. Dude. Wins are wins.
Freeze Wins Against Top 25 Opponents
#1 Alabama in 2015
#4 Alabama in 2014
#11 Miss St in 2014
#14 LSU in 2013
#16 Boise St in 2014
#16 LSU in 2015
#20 Oklahoma St in 2015
#24 Vanderbilt in 2013
#25 Memphis in 2014
Lane Kiffin Wins Against Top 25 Opponents
#12 Indiana in 2020
#13 LSU in 2023
#19 Troy in 2022
#21 Arkansas in 2021
#23 Tulane in 2023
First off, you can’t remove Freeze’s two biggest wins and then make a fair comparison. Secondly, if you do remove those wins his list would look almost exactly like Kiffen’s!
And FYI Cutcliffe had just four Top 25 wins in seven seasons, so he’s decisively behind both.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:14 am to madmaxvol
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Is Schrader back next year or not? That has a huge impact on whether or not Missouri's offense takes a step back. It's hard to know with the whole "COVID Eligibility Year" stuff...but here is what I see for Missouri:
Rushing - Running backs had a total of 1,506 yards. 100% of those yards were from Senior Transfers Schrader and Peat.
Receiving - Looks much better with leading receiver Burden coming back. Out of a total of 3,282 yards receiving, Seniors only accounted for 915 yards receiving.
So, if Schrader and Peat both go, they run the risk of becoming one dimensional. If they return, or can back fill their productivity, then they are positioned well for another good offensive season.
Mizzou has had the top rusher in the SEC 2 of the last 3 years. I feel pretty good on the sales pitch to replace a lot of the yards lost. We will end up with a T5 RB in the portal.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:32 am to AUTiger789
Holy fricking autism. I didn’t take Hugh’s wins away. The NCAA did. 
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:37 am to ManBearSharkReb
If that is what makes you feel better about Lane’s lackluster record, by all means go with it.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:54 am to AUTiger789
Lane Kiffin Wins Against Top 25 Opponents
#12 Indiana in 2020
#13 LSU in 2023
#19 Troy in 2022
#11 Arkansas in 2021
#23 Tulane in 2023
And you left off:
#11 Texas A&M 2021
#7 Kentucky 2022
Two NY6 Bowls in 3 years
Two 10 win seasons in 3 years
On track to get 11 wins (vaught and freeze never did this)
Didn’t lose to Memphis weeks after beating #1 Bama. Didn’t lose to Arkansas to blow an SEC championship game appearance. Has never gotten blown out by Vandy or New Mexico State.
Doesn’t frick prostitutes after tweeting bible verses.
#12 Indiana in 2020
#13 LSU in 2023
#19 Troy in 2022
#11 Arkansas in 2021
#23 Tulane in 2023
And you left off:
#11 Texas A&M 2021
#7 Kentucky 2022
Two NY6 Bowls in 3 years
Two 10 win seasons in 3 years
On track to get 11 wins (vaught and freeze never did this)
Didn’t lose to Memphis weeks after beating #1 Bama. Didn’t lose to Arkansas to blow an SEC championship game appearance. Has never gotten blown out by Vandy or New Mexico State.
Doesn’t frick prostitutes after tweeting bible verses.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:03 am to ManBearSharkReb
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And you left off: #11 Texas A&M 2021 #7 Kentucky 2022
FINAL AP rankings were used. neither of these teams finished ranked. That’s like counting a win this season over Colorado… Colorado is and was never a Top 25 team this year despite their inclusion in the poll for a few weeks. Final rankings are all that matter.
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Didn’t lose to Memphis weeks after beating #1 Bama. Didn’t lose to Arkansas
Kiffen lost to Harsin. That alone should raise MAJOR red flags
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:07 am to AUTiger789
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If that is what makes you feel better about Lane’s lackluster record
Kiffin winning % first 4 years
69% overall 61% SEC
Freeze winning % first 4 years
65% overall 53% SEC
Lane is also 2-0 head to head against Hugh
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:22 am to AUTiger789
Arkansas has always had a recruiting disadvantage going back to the SWC days. Being the only member not from Texas was a real issue.
Arkansas has lost a decent presence in Texas back when they left the SWC. They got good talent from that state but often down the pecking order to Texas, A&M and Oklahoma.
Now with more prestigious programs recruiting the state, Arkansas had to recruit other states that weren't historically recruited.
Texas and Oklahoma joining would make no difference as both had greater success for decades recruiting the state of Texas.
Arkansas has lost a decent presence in Texas back when they left the SWC. They got good talent from that state but often down the pecking order to Texas, A&M and Oklahoma.
Now with more prestigious programs recruiting the state, Arkansas had to recruit other states that weren't historically recruited.
Texas and Oklahoma joining would make no difference as both had greater success for decades recruiting the state of Texas.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:39 am to ManBearSharkReb
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Kiffin winning % first 4 years 69% overall 61% SEC Freeze winning % first 4 years 65% overall 53% SEC
Right. And Freeze came in following a 2-10 season while Kiffen came in a 4-8 season… both inherited a mess, but there is a huge difference in. 2-win team and a 4-win team as it means the 2-win team was losing to directional schools OOC.
Freeze also faced a MUCH more difficult schedule in his first four seasons, facing 22 FINAL AP Top 25 opponents compared to Lane only having to face 15 (that’s going ahead and counting PSU and assuming Tulane wins their bowl and finishing ranked).
Freeze faced nearly two extra Top 25 opponents every single year. HUGE difference yet their overall record through the first four seasons is nearly identical.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:39 am to AUTiger789
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10. Missouri
Solid year for Drinkwitz. Is this a Beamer at SC situation where he takes a step back the next season or can this be sustained? Recruiting to MIZ is not easy.
Disagree with this whole heartedly. Especially the Beamer part.
Beamer was 8-5 with a Loss in the Gator Bowl. How is going 10-2 with a NY6 Bowl result TBD even comparable?
Additionally, Mizzou is returning a lot of production on the offensive side of the ball and has already filled a few key positions.
Finally, your bias shows by saying your 6-6 Auburn squad is moving the "right direction" while questioning a 10-2 Mizzou squad
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:54 am to tide06
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OL play - fixed
DL play - improved
QB injuries / development - fixed
AVG/poor OC/DC - fixed
Decline @ RB/WR - improved
Nothing to disagree with about all of that. The fact it slipped in the first place is what is interesting. Bama had complete domination to the point it was a statistical anomaly when they lost. Now, Saban is still bringing in the talent in droves and the record isn't all that different, but the domination has been lacking. Again, it is a problem every team in the country would love to have.
This year did prove that as good as UGA has been, Bama is still the team to beat in the SEC, and probably nationally. I am no big fan of conference and playoff expansion in the long run, but It is going to be a whole lot of fun the next few years.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:54 am to ChexMix
I’d swap auburn and OU.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:07 am to Lord of the Hogs
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Lord of the Hogs
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Despite Arkansas’ recent struggles lately, Arkansas is still the better program. Arkansas is in the top 25 in all-time wins and is regarded as a top 25 all-time program. Mizzou is neither of those, and Mizzou fans can’t stand it. Congrats on your Super Bowl wins against us in our worst years.
Oh, so this dude is retarded retarded. That’s too bad.
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