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re: Rank the SEC Basketball coaches
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:15 pm to WildcatMike
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:15 pm to WildcatMike
quote:jesus christ
Don’t understand why aTm fans think they can do better. I
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:43 pm to RT1941
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I look for State to have a big year next year.
Barring some off-season explosion, State should be quite good next year. I expect us to process a couple of marginal guys and fit the new frosh into those places. All of the top guys should be back.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:48 pm to Allyn McKeen
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Barring some off-season explosion, State should be quite good next year. I expect us to process a couple of marginal guys and fit the new frosh into those places. All of the top guys should be back.
State does not have a single SR on this team. Most of the team in FR and SOPH. This is really only Howlands second year as his first year was almost all SR's and Rick's players. I hope we are getting overlooked. Love it!
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:20 pm to AU_251
This time of year in the South your tongue has to be covered in pollen.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 9:16 am to GatorsGators
quote:tell me what i said that's not factual other than that wade took his team further than pretty much every other coach this season. an opinion, but a sound, well substantiated one. and really not even a controversial one.
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the conference is going to be really good again next year. uga and ole miss upgraded. drew is bringing in an impressive squad. scar has martin and lsu should definitely improve so even the bottom of the conference is going to improve. state should be really tough next year. next year will be another meat grinder.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 10:28 am to AU_251
Did you just put three time Final Four coach Ben Howland in tier 3? Do you realize the absolute shite show our basketball program was when he got here? The fact we are in the final four of the NIT in year three is a miracle with the dumpster fire he was left with.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 10:59 am to bfniii
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tell me what i said that's not factual other than that wade took his team further than pretty much every other coach this season. an opinion, but a sound, well substantiated one. and really not even a controversial one
What?
- T9 in the SEC (behind 8 coaches)
- Lost in the 1st round of the SECT (behind at least 4 other coaches)
- went to the NIT (behind 8 other coaches)
Auburn and Tennessee outperformed their estimated win totals by more than LSU did. Wade appears to be a solid coach, but jeebus, he's not proven to be the 2nd coming of Adolph Rupp yet.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 11:14 am
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:01 am to Rayburn8
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The fact we are in the final four of the NIT in year three is a miracle with the dumpster fire he was left with.
Howland is a very solid recruiter and coach, but 3 years is plenty long to take any program from outhouse to middle of the pack. It's not football.
Did you see the shitshow Cuonzo took over at Missouri? They made the NCAA Tournament in his 1st year. And their issues were every bit as bad and deep as State's under Ray.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:13 am to bfniii
quote:Get out of the TigerRant more often. That's a pretty crazy statement.
tell me what i said that's not factual other than that wade took his team further than pretty much every other coach this season. an opinion, but a sound, well substantiated one. and really not even a controversial one.
Barnes took his team from 8-10 and not in the NIT last year to 13-5 and a 3 seed this year.
Wade has done a really good job so far but a bunch of coaches have outperformed expectations in year one and then not become the second coming of Christ. Darrin Horn inherited a South Carolina team that went 14-18 and went to the NIT second round in his first year. After that he brought in a borderline Top 10 class in 2010. Then he shat his pants.
Johnny Jones also looked like he had the program rolling after going 19-12 in his first year with his recruiting.
Not saying Will Wade will be anything like Horn or Jones but you get the point. Wait for Wade to actually accomplish something meaningful before you crown him the next K.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:16 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Missouri is also about to take a big step back next year without Robertson, Barnett, and possibly both Porter brothers. He still has a pretty huge rebuild in front of him
Did you see the shitshow Cuonzo took over at Missouri? They made the NCAA Tournament in his 1st year. And their issues were every bit as bad and deep as State's under Ray.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:19 am to GatorsGators
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Missouri is also about to take a big step back next year without Robertson, Barnett, and possibly both Porter brothers. He still has a pretty huge rebuild in front of him
Agree - just making the general point that, while I think Howland is doing a really solid job and has built well over multiple classes, it isn't some unprecedented job he's done.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:22 am to GatorsGators
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Wade has done a really good job so far but a bunch of coaches have outperformed expectations in year one and then not become the second coming of Christ. Darrin Horn inherited a South Carolina team that went 14-18 and went to the NIT second round in his first year. After that he brought in a borderline Top 10 class in 2010. Then he shat his pants.
Yea, this notion that what Will Wade did at LSU this year is some sort of miracle job unseen in the history of college basketball is ludicrous. He did a nice job. He took kids who were worn down by a miserable, awful season with a miserable coach and instilled some confidence and solid coaching in them and they responded well.
However, that happens quite frequently with new coaches in 1st years. Avery did it his first year at Alabama (which was a miserable roster) and most here see him as a joke. Horn did it. You mentioned Barnes. Gottfried did it. Grant did it in his first 2 seasons.
It's understandable to be excited but good gosh.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:29 am to AU_251
I think Mike White is too low. This team was an Egbunu away from a deeper run.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree - just making the general point that, while I think Howland is doing a really solid job and has built well over multiple classes, it isn't some unprecedented job he's done.
I think it is important to note that Howland took over a team full of very marginal Rick Ray seniors with little else behind them. He did better with those kids than Ray had done and then he was left with the youngest team in America in year 2. The team this year is still young compared to most, and they have 25 wins so far. There are no seniors on the team, and we have some good additions coming in.
Cuonzo year 2 is going to be similar to Howland year 2. If he gets the Porters back, they will be fine. If not, he will have his work cut out for him.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 2:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Auburn and Tennessee outperformed their estimated win totals by more than LSU did.
Auburn and Tennessee were close to .500 SEC ball clubs last year. LSU was last and picked unanimously to do so again this year. We lost FIFTEEN games in a row last year. Our best player (A Blakeney) by far decided not to come back. Wade doing what he did with what he started with was the best coaching job in the SEC this year.
If Jones had not been fired, I have no doubt whatsoever we would not have won a single SEC game. Looking at the schedule, probably 3 to 5 total wins for the year. We would have been that bad.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:11 pm to PurpleandGeauld
Isn't it more appropriate to categorize them by cheaters/not cheaters?
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:15 pm to AU_251
The coaches that are worse than Anderson have been getting purged from the SEC. It was a bad sign when he was one of the five best coaches in the league. I think Anderson is kind of the litmus test for coaching acumen. If you’re a worse coach than him you’re likely a terrible coach. If you’re a better coach than him then you’re probably doing ok.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:16 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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Auburn and Tennessee were close to .500 SEC ball clubs last year. LSU was last and picked unanimously to do so again this year. We lost FIFTEEN games in a row last year. Our best player (A Blakeney) by far decided not to come back. Wade doing what he did with what he started with was the best coaching job in the SEC this year.
Auburn was picked 9th in the SEC this year (before they lost their best player and another starter). They came in 1st.
Tennessee was picked 13th in the SEC this year. They came in 1st.
LSU was picked 14th in the SEC this year. They came in 9th.
Wade did a nice job, but come on.
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Wade doing what he did with what he started with was the best coaching job in the SEC this year.
Just going to have to disagree. He did a nice job, probably top 3-4 effort, but there is zero way he did a better job than Pearl/Barnes. And comparing to what Jones did is irrelevant. Jones was a utter nightmare. Of course he would have destroyed this year like he did the year before. He was awful.
Again, Avery's first year his 2nd leading scorer was Arthur Edwards, a guy who averaged 2.0 PPG at New Mexico. Our offensive stalwart was Retin Obasohan, a guy who had averaged 6 PPG his junior year. That team went 18-13 and 8-10 and was right in the NCAA talk up until the last 3 weeks. That team was every bit as talent deficient as this LSU one was, maybe more. And clearly it didn't mean Avery did the best job in the SEC and was going to be the next John Wooden.
And most people think Avery is a joke who couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Just going to have to disagree
I have no problem with that. Keep in mind though I am including Wade's work in adding some quality people to our roster this year in limited time, and his recruiting job for next year's team, not just his x's and o's, motivation, etc. for this year.
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And most people think Avery is a joke who couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
Avery did well this year once he stopped over-playing Jr. You guys had some good games.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 4:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The stupidity of thread is strong in this one.
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