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re: Question for people who watched the book of manning.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:07 am to MetryTyger
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:07 am to MetryTyger
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1. How in the hell do YOUUUUUUUUUU know if Archie pressured Cooper? And why on God's green earth would Archie pressure Cooper AFTER his spinal stenois diagnosis?
By every account I'm aware of, Cooper stopped playing football as soon as they found out about his condition.
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2. How do you YOUUUUUUUUUUU know that Archie was pissed off and dejected? Did you ever stop and think maybe he was very emotional that his son was going to play Division I SEC football, and was very proud and happy for him ????
To be fair, he did look quite dejected in that video clip. The fact remains, though, that he grew to embrace Peyton's decision, to the point that he even started wearing Tenn apparel to the games and to this day, seems genuinely happy with the choice. I think he was honest, in that he knows deep down that it didn't make sense for him career-wise to attend Ole Miss at that juncture.
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:07 am to TbirdSpur2010
Can't we all just get along and say they were all bad arse QB's
Congrats Aggies on having y'alls now.
Congrats Aggies on having y'alls now.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:09 am to McRebel42
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Can't we all just get along and say they were all bad arse QB's
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:10 am to FrankWhite'56
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Yeah, since that's how I measure my life/career/memories -- on whether or not a 20 year old will continue to associate with his university the way I associate with my university.
Come on now. You and I both know that A&M probably has more people who live for that shite, than just about any university around. Let's be honest here.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:11 am to Landsharks
Johnny is way better than Archie ever was. And he is doing more impressive things against much better athletes. MUCH better. 42 points and almost 600 yards of offense against Bama is FREAKISH. No way any of the Mannings in their prime get close to that.
And I am sure Archie Manning had plenty of skeletons in his closet and liked to party just a little bit, but TMZSPN and social media weren't around to tear prominent guys apart back in the day. I wonder if Archie had friendships with children battling cancer and would take hours out of his day to go to their house to play with race cars outside of the media eye?
And I am sure Archie Manning had plenty of skeletons in his closet and liked to party just a little bit, but TMZSPN and social media weren't around to tear prominent guys apart back in the day. I wonder if Archie had friendships with children battling cancer and would take hours out of his day to go to their house to play with race cars outside of the media eye?
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:11 am to TbirdSpur2010
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They're both incredible quarterbacks, and despite what you obviously have made up your mind about regarding Manziel, appear to both be very decent, genuine people.
Their upbringing couldn't be more different. I think that has some impact on how people interact with others. Wright Thompson's article didn't do Johnny or Paul Manziel any favors. Even so, I haven't made up my mind about who Manziel is as a person. His behavior doesn't define who he is, but it's the only insight any outsider can have. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in a lot of ways, because he's in a unique situation, and he is still pretty young.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:12 am to Landsharks
Even as an LSU fan, I've always thought of Archie as the greatest qb in my time going back to his playing time. After watching the sec storied last night, I might add one of the greatest fathers of all time as well. Archie is nothing but Class.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:12 am to McRebel42
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:12 am to Sherwood Brotron
Yea he probably bitched about staying in Oxford cause if a parking ticket. TPOS
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:18 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:I completely agree -- they're called "sidewalk fans."
Come on now. You and I both know that A&M probably has more people who live for that shite, than just about any university around. Let's be honest here.
I came to become exceptionally well-acquainted with them -- living in the Austin area circa 2005.
Totally different experience when you've actually attended school there. It confers a certain sense of security that rises above the periodic successes and failures of a football team made up of 18-21 year olds.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:18 am to dtmb
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Their upbringing couldn't be more different. I think that has some impact on how people interact with others. Wright Thompson's article didn't do Johnny or Paul Manziel any favors. Even so, I haven't made up my mind about who Manziel is as a person. His behavior doesn't define who he is, but it's the only insight any outsider can have. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in a lot of ways, because he's in a unique situation, and he is still pretty young.
Here's the deal: I don't give Manziel a pass on the silly stuff he does, because I would hope he would button down and represent the university as best he can 24/7, but that's not who he is. And it never has been. So while it would be great for me not to have to defend his every flight of fancy (not that he asked me to, of course
), a part of me also respects him for not letting the limelight change who he is. And what he is is a privileged young kid who knows how good he has it and isn't shy about showing it. But by all accounts he is a terrific teammate, and when he's not partying (something most football players love to do whether they're named Manziel or not), he just chills like a normal guy who loves getting to play football at this level. For the record, the way he interacts with kids (especially the cancer survivor whom he built a relationship with well before the 2012 season) speaks volumes about his character because he doesn't try to exploit them or turn them into PR opportunities, when he no doubt could do exactly that to counter act the negative press that's generated.Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:22 am to Landsharks
Here is what I feel about Archie.
He was well within his rights to tell the Saints and the City of New Orleans to go to hell and demand a trade, because the organization would not help him at all with worthwhile players.
He stuck by the Saints and stuck with us. After 11 years of torture as our QB, he was finally traded away against his wishes. (For Leon Gray, a friggin washed up no good offensive tackle. Bum Philips, you SOB)
He had no business remaining loyal to us, but he did. As a fan I will never forget that.
He was well within his rights to tell the Saints and the City of New Orleans to go to hell and demand a trade, because the organization would not help him at all with worthwhile players.
He stuck by the Saints and stuck with us. After 11 years of torture as our QB, he was finally traded away against his wishes. (For Leon Gray, a friggin washed up no good offensive tackle. Bum Philips, you SOB)
He had no business remaining loyal to us, but he did. As a fan I will never forget that.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:22 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
I actually thought the same thing, that Archie was similar to Manziel in the way that he'd scramble back and forth and throw up what seemed like a prayer and have it land in the hands of a wide-open reciever.
I hate Ole Miss, but the documentary was more about family and dealing with fame and fortune/misfortune than anything else. Very illuminating and entertaining. I loved all of the old footage (except Eli throwing the winning touchdown against LSU in 2002.)
It's unfortunate that this thread, like so many on the SEC Rant these days, almost immediately degraded into another Texas A&M pissing contest. There are so few rational conversations here anymore.
I hate Ole Miss, but the documentary was more about family and dealing with fame and fortune/misfortune than anything else. Very illuminating and entertaining. I loved all of the old footage (except Eli throwing the winning touchdown against LSU in 2002.)
It's unfortunate that this thread, like so many on the SEC Rant these days, almost immediately degraded into another Texas A&M pissing contest. There are so few rational conversations here anymore.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:23 am to joetiger
Our fans are definitely the ones who ruined it
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:26 am to Landsharks
I watched some of it. I don't worship these guys like you do and I highly doubt Archie Manning was the pure-in-heart saint that he is portrayed to be. Eli was a cokehead at Ole Miss and Archie probably wasn't all that different. The media paints prominent people how they want and dictates the narrative to a T.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:27 am to joetiger
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It's unfortunate that this thread, like so many on the SEC Rant these days, almost immediately degraded into another Texas A&M pissing contest. There are so few rational conversations here anymore.
This x 1000
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:28 am to Sherwood Brotron
Lol aight
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:29 am to joetiger
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It's unfortunate that this thread, like so many on the SEC Rant these days, almost immediately degraded into another Texas A&M pissing contest. There are so few rational conversations here anymore.
Yep, all you have to do is look at the first few posts by Ole Miss fans. You can thank them for the immediate derail.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:29 am to Landsharks
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540 yards on one of the first national televised game> 553 yards vs arky
What about 562 in the game of the century against Nick Saban? Archie put up that record against a 6-5 Alabama team of white guys.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 10:30 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:30 am to Landsharks
Eh I assume that most of the athletes from the past were basically identical to the guys now, meaning about 95% were tPOS, 4% were average guys, and 1% were actually genuinely good guys.
The only reason we think about people of the past with rose colored glasses is because the media wasn't all that pervasive back then and video cameras were basically non-existent. People also didn't expect athletes to be Jesus back the either like they do now. Athletes were simply given far more leeway in their personal lives than now.
As for Manning the game was different back then and was nothing like it is now. The rules were different, the players had no access to proper nutrition or training as strength and conditioning programs basically didn't exist, the players were less athletic and significantly smaller. The game simply isn't comparable because D2 teams would blow out every team from back then due to all of the changes in the game.
The only reason we think about people of the past with rose colored glasses is because the media wasn't all that pervasive back then and video cameras were basically non-existent. People also didn't expect athletes to be Jesus back the either like they do now. Athletes were simply given far more leeway in their personal lives than now.
As for Manning the game was different back then and was nothing like it is now. The rules were different, the players had no access to proper nutrition or training as strength and conditioning programs basically didn't exist, the players were less athletic and significantly smaller. The game simply isn't comparable because D2 teams would blow out every team from back then due to all of the changes in the game.
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