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re: Question for people who watched the book of manning.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 6:08 am to cokebottleag
Posted on 9/25/13 at 6:08 am to cokebottleag
That was one of the best, most well done ESPN documentaries. My wife cried most of the way through it.
Archie is so damn impressive as a player and more so as a man. Dude was as tough as nails. That was when real men played football. I didn't know all that much about Archie. His character is off the charts.
Archie is so damn impressive as a player and more so as a man. Dude was as tough as nails. That was when real men played football. I didn't know all that much about Archie. His character is off the charts.
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 6:18 am to i am dan
A Texan broke Archie's arm...waiting for someone to hate on us for that 
You'll have to be older to get the best part of Book of Manning ... How Archie and his wife focused on family amidst fame and did a great job as parents.
You'll have to be older to get the best part of Book of Manning ... How Archie and his wife focused on family amidst fame and did a great job as parents.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 7:19 am to Smoke Ring
To you people who claim Archie was garbage because of how his pro career went:
You know NOTHING!
It would take a book to chronicle the reasons why the Saints were so bad. Bad doesn't even begin to describe it. These are just a few of the many reasons it wasn't until 1987 that the Saints made the playoffs:
1. The owner was a total idiot. he made his money the same way Paris Hilton did...from his dad.
2. There were no, repeat no football people in the front office. At one point, Dick Gordon was the GM. Who was Dick Gordon? He walked on the moon.
3. Because they had people like astronuats making football decisions, they had no talent whatseoever.
4. They had no coaching whatsoever. the head coach when Archie was drafted had been hired midseason in 1970 from a division III school.
5. By the time they got a football person in the organization in 1976, Hank Stram, he was old and outdated, plus Archie was hurt for most of Stram's tenure.
6. They hired another football guy, Dick Nolan after that, and Stram had gotten them some good offensive talent, and Archie really shined in the Nolan years. But, he tried to install Dallas' Flex Defense, and the Saints had no talent to run such a defense and it was terrible, and they eventually bottomed out to 1-15.
7. In 1980 when the Saints won 1 game, Archie threw for 3,710 yards, completed 60% of his passes and had 23 touchdowns compared to 20 picks. Best ever season for a QB on a 1-15 team.
8. Bum Phillips traded him to Houston, who in 1982 was in worse shape than the Saints who nearly made the playoffs in 1983.
Archie succeeded as a pro despite the horrendus teams he was on. They did not suffer because of him.
You know NOTHING!
It would take a book to chronicle the reasons why the Saints were so bad. Bad doesn't even begin to describe it. These are just a few of the many reasons it wasn't until 1987 that the Saints made the playoffs:
1. The owner was a total idiot. he made his money the same way Paris Hilton did...from his dad.
2. There were no, repeat no football people in the front office. At one point, Dick Gordon was the GM. Who was Dick Gordon? He walked on the moon.
3. Because they had people like astronuats making football decisions, they had no talent whatseoever.
4. They had no coaching whatsoever. the head coach when Archie was drafted had been hired midseason in 1970 from a division III school.
5. By the time they got a football person in the organization in 1976, Hank Stram, he was old and outdated, plus Archie was hurt for most of Stram's tenure.
6. They hired another football guy, Dick Nolan after that, and Stram had gotten them some good offensive talent, and Archie really shined in the Nolan years. But, he tried to install Dallas' Flex Defense, and the Saints had no talent to run such a defense and it was terrible, and they eventually bottomed out to 1-15.
7. In 1980 when the Saints won 1 game, Archie threw for 3,710 yards, completed 60% of his passes and had 23 touchdowns compared to 20 picks. Best ever season for a QB on a 1-15 team.
8. Bum Phillips traded him to Houston, who in 1982 was in worse shape than the Saints who nearly made the playoffs in 1983.
Archie succeeded as a pro despite the horrendus teams he was on. They did not suffer because of him.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 7:20 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 7:27 am to SwayzeBalla
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Johnny will never be on the level of Archie in any aspect of life or football.
You're right, he'll have more success at both the college and pro level and he won't force his son to risk life ending injury just to continue the legacy.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 7:34 am to Landsharks
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It may be just me. Did you watch the book of manning? There were a ton of highlights of Archie itching by defenders whole should have gotten him
I watched it - you also have to figure, they used a lot if highlight footage. He certainly was elusive, but there's more to it than breaking tackles and completing passes.
I get what you're saying - and the question is legit. Rather than just pull something out of my arse, I'd rather not answer as I don't think I have enough information to give an informed opinion
Oh- and even though I wasn't alive, the Sugar Bowl
Posted on 9/25/13 at 7:34 am to Projectpat
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he won't force his son to risk life ending injury just to continue the legacy.
You do realize that Cooper wasn't going to play no matter what, right?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 7:38 am to Henry Jones Jr
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You do realize that Cooper wasn't going to play no matter what, right?
He did in HS and almost died because of Archie's selfishness.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 7:42 am to Projectpat
Did we watch the same documentary? Was there a Part 2 Directors Cut?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 7:46 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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2 time pro bowler on a team who sucked so much they didn't have one winning season in 14 years. Yea he was the problem
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Good QBs make their teammates better. Sounds like he was the problem brah
Much like Steve Young...the guy was a winner and with him at the helm, Tampa was able to go 4-28 in his 2 seasons there. Theory confirmed...
Posted on 9/25/13 at 7:53 am to Projectpat
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:01 am to sbrian3915
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These are just a few of the many reasons it wasn't until 1987 that the Saints made the playoffs:
1. The owner was a total idiot. he made his money the same way Paris Hilton did...from his dad.
2. There were no, repeat no football people in the front office. At one point, Dick Gordon was the GM. Who was Dick Gordon? He walked on the moon.
3. Because they had people like astronuats making football decisions, they had no talent whatseoever.
4. They had no coaching whatsoever. the head coach when Archie was drafted had been hired midseason in 1970 from a division III school.
5. By the time they got a football person in the organization in 1976, Hank Stram, he was old and outdated, plus Archie was hurt for most of Stram's tenure.
6. They hired another football guy, Dick Nolan after that, and Stram had gotten them some good offensive talent, and Archie really shined in the Nolan years. But, he tried to install Dallas' Flex Defense, and the Saints had no talent to run such a defense and it was terrible, and they eventually bottomed out to 1-15.
7. In 1980 when the Saints won 1 game, Archie threw for 3,710 yards, completed 60% of his passes and had 23 touchdowns compared to 20 picks. Best ever season for a QB on a 1-15 team.
8. Bum Phillips traded him to Houston, who in 1982 was in worse shape than the Saints who nearly made the playoffs in 1983.
You could have summed this up all in one statement.
In 1979 the Saints drafted in the first round....
Russell Erxleben, punter.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:04 am to sbrian3915
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Archie succeeded as a pro despite the horrendus teams he was on. They did not suffer because of him.
And was literally the only reason to EVER watch the saints in those days. They were awful, he was great.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:05 am to Choupique19
It was a great show, they overplayed the humble nice guy stuff but it's expected from a documentary.
I thought it made Ole Miss look small time, like they were only good twice in history when they had Mannings at QB. Wait, maybe that's accurate.
I thought it made Ole Miss look small time, like they were only good twice in history when they had Mannings at QB. Wait, maybe that's accurate.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:07 am to Projectpat
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and he won't force his son to risk life ending injury just to continue the legacy.
This is why the rest of us SEC fans question letting you little brother complex weirdos in our conference.
GDIAF
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:11 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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ShaneTheLegLechler
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He was also a historically bad NFL QB. fricking awful.
Your inner idiot is on a rampage.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:12 am to PorkSammich
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I thought it made Ole Miss look small time, like they were only good twice in history when they had Mannings at QB. Wait, maybe that's accurate.
While our school's football success has been sparing since Vaught's departure, this isn't true. I hate to be "that guy" who talks about the past, but OM was a perennial power for most of the 50s, 60s, and early 70s.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:15 am to More&Les
Lol @ all you non OM and Tennessee fans sucking off the entire Manning family. If you were as intense of fans as you think you are you would hate them. Especially the LSU fans who had two of his instate sons not give you the time of day as recruits. Too bad none of them were ever able to get one of these:
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:16 am to Landsharks
Archie was the first duel threat QB. He was Johnny football before Johnny. People forget how good Archie was. He was phenomenal.
I liked the part where the 69 Bama-OM game was talked about. This was the first SEC "nationally" televised prime time game in history. Archie was one of 5 QB's that while watching him you just said the only way can win is to outscore them. Archie, Tom Brady, Peyton, JFF and Cam were the only qb'S that I thought we could not stop, period.
It's good to see the Ole Miss game taking on relevance again. Not since the days of Johnny Vaught and Archie has this game meant as much as this one this year.
I'd like to have seen what would have happened had Archie played with the Steelers, Cowboys or the Air Coryell Chargers. You just know he'd have the hardware. One of the best ever.
I liked the part where the 69 Bama-OM game was talked about. This was the first SEC "nationally" televised prime time game in history. Archie was one of 5 QB's that while watching him you just said the only way can win is to outscore them. Archie, Tom Brady, Peyton, JFF and Cam were the only qb'S that I thought we could not stop, period.
It's good to see the Ole Miss game taking on relevance again. Not since the days of Johnny Vaught and Archie has this game meant as much as this one this year.
I'd like to have seen what would have happened had Archie played with the Steelers, Cowboys or the Air Coryell Chargers. You just know he'd have the hardware. One of the best ever.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 8:18 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:17 am to Landsharks
As far as on the field goes, absolutely.
Off the field, no. Archie Manning was forced- like the song says- to become a man while he was still a boy. He had to grow up very fast- and did.
Anyone who didn't have a lot of respect for "Peyton's Dad" before certainly would after watching this. Those who already did will only have their thoughts reinforced. Great show, indeed.
Now having said all that, I remain:
Off the field, no. Archie Manning was forced- like the song says- to become a man while he was still a boy. He had to grow up very fast- and did.
Anyone who didn't have a lot of respect for "Peyton's Dad" before certainly would after watching this. Those who already did will only have their thoughts reinforced. Great show, indeed.
Now having said all that, I remain:
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:29 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Especially the LSU fans who had two of his instate sons not give you the time of day as recruits. Too bad none of them were ever able to get one of these
True. But beating the guy who did is never a bad parting gift.
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