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re: Predictions on SEC next year, specifically the SECW
Posted on 1/15/11 at 1:35 am to Ross
Posted on 1/15/11 at 1:35 am to Ross
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I seriously want a ban bet with you for the AU/MSU game. Add a little spice to the offseason.
I'm good with that- banned forever or just until after the SEC title game?
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Posted on 1/15/11 at 1:38 am to RMFTBama
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an entire season of stats, for that matter - which, by the way, clearly show Alabama to be the better defense
I guess it is pretty clear that Alabama had the #6 total defense, and LSU had the #8 total defense; but the difference was about 5 yards per game and .01 yards per play. Those numbers are basically a wash. Both teams have good defenses that got exposed in big games this year, and both teams lost some good players from those defenses (LSU lost more). The 2011 defenses are going to be good as well. To say that either was significantly better than the other just isn't correct.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 1:43 am to RMFTBama
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For your first point you try and convince us that LSU had a superior defense to Alabama. You extrapolated from one head-to-head game, which is hardly representative of an entire season (or an entire season of stats, for that matter - which, by the way, clearly show Alabama to be the better defense). But whatever, let's just go ahead and concede that LSU had a better defense so we can skip ahead to your bullshite.
For my first point I said that LSU put up their defensive stats against a tougher schedule than Alabama. They did. LSU played the 5th toughest schedule in the country, according to the NCAA. Alabama's schedule was rated 10th.
By way of proof, in a head to head matchup, our defense surrendered less yards and less points to your much-higher rated offense than your supposedly-better defense did against our woeful offense. Which is true.
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For your second point, you say that LSU has a better running game because they outrushed Alabama in a head-to-head game
Wrong. I said "LSU outrushed Alabama this year." Not for the game, the whole year:
Rushing Offense
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I realize my whole argument probably went way over your head and that you don't even recognize that my "facts" just owned your "facts," but I suggest you shut the frick up until you're capable of forming a simple, logical argument that doesn't contradict itself at every turn
LOL, where to begin with this. You've misread, misquoted, exaggerated, extrapolated, and been guilty of exactly of what you wrongly accused me of. Namely of getting the facts wrong.
Congratulations of the worst case of fail flaming seen recently.
Dismissed.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 1:48 am to Crede15
first you say this
then you say this
Arkansas is @ Alabama and @ LSU
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part of this is schedule based.
then you say this
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Arkansas also has a legit case for number 2
Arkansas is @ Alabama and @ LSU
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:19 am to bbap
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do you actually believe that or are you just joking around? (Ala 12-0)
Not saying it will happen but every year all the so called experts say no one in the SEC will finish unblemished- yet there seems to be at least one team that is. And UA has done it 2 out of the past 3 seasons, so is it that far out the question? (For the record- I think the winner of the AL / LSU game finishes 12-0)
This post was edited on 1/15/11 at 2:22 am
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:20 am to RFM
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They will probably be starting a true freshman QB
Probably not, actually.
This post was edited on 1/15/11 at 2:21 am
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:35 am to RFM
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1. LSU
2. Bama
3. MSU
4. Arkansas
5. AU
6. Ole Miss
If I'm really gonna try to be objective, I'd say switch us and arkansas, but I'm gonna hope for better than fourth. Returning 17 outta 22 after winning 9 is good for fourth in the west the next year. If you are reading this and you are a fan of another conference, you gotta admit, you wish you were in the west. Ok, maybe you don't. I don't know what I'm saying. It's 2:35.
This post was edited on 1/15/11 at 2:37 am
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:43 am to RFM
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I think LSU will be loaded, and if Methburger can steady the QB position, they will be scary. However, JJ looked pretty damn good in the bowl game.
Bama has to replace the QB and Ingram, but Richardson is a freak. I wouldn't bitch if they were 1 and LSU was 2.
MSU has a nice team, and Mullen did a great job. They look like a program on the rise, but recruiting is not going as well as expected to keep them ascending to the top.
Arkansas loses Cheech Mallet. The backup looked good, and the RB looks like a good one. However, I think they could be interchangeable with MSU at 3.
AU lost Cam, Fairley, and a lot of seniors. They will probably be starting a true freshman QB, and that's a tough task in the SEC.
Ole Miss... 3 words, Houston Dale Nutt.
I think the East is SC's to lose again, with UGA being up there. UF has tons of talent but a new staff, UT is still rebuilding, UK lost their best player, and Vandy is Vandy.
this is a great analysis. lsu is gonna do great things next year since crowton is gone. it's lsu or bama at the top, ark and state at 3 and 4, and auburn and ole miss at 5 and 6. not a doubt in my mind.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 7:52 am to Tds & Beer
Bama
LSU
State
ARK
Auburn
OM
Bama LSu will be hard to predict. Very similar teams but I believe Bam has the edge. LSU replaces its 3 best def players and Baa loses one, but get back arguably its best pass rusher in CourtnetUpshaw and I am really excited about Jesse Williams. The LSU fan that kept bringing up qb and sacks. One Bama does not rely on the qb which is why you didnt see a drop off between JPW and 1st yr starter McElroy. Your offense is much more reliant on the qb than Bama. Two I would say atleast half the sacks given up by Bama were directly the fault of GM himself. Remeber the SC game where he just kept holding the ball; I think 8 sacks that game and two were not his fault. He holds the ball way too long and fixed it later that yr. Last these two teams are so close and were this past yr as well. The two programs mirror each other to the point its almost strange but considering who helped build LSu and Alabama back to national prominence it isnt really a surprise. dont know who wins that game but I believe Alabam has just as good a shot as LSU and we are equally talented and return more starters. Our big Ol is made for runnng the football and that will be what we return to this yr; we will just have a qb that can actually throw the long pass now and hopefully do well enough to get 8 people out of the box against us.
LSU
State
ARK
Auburn
OM
Bama LSu will be hard to predict. Very similar teams but I believe Bam has the edge. LSU replaces its 3 best def players and Baa loses one, but get back arguably its best pass rusher in CourtnetUpshaw and I am really excited about Jesse Williams. The LSU fan that kept bringing up qb and sacks. One Bama does not rely on the qb which is why you didnt see a drop off between JPW and 1st yr starter McElroy. Your offense is much more reliant on the qb than Bama. Two I would say atleast half the sacks given up by Bama were directly the fault of GM himself. Remeber the SC game where he just kept holding the ball; I think 8 sacks that game and two were not his fault. He holds the ball way too long and fixed it later that yr. Last these two teams are so close and were this past yr as well. The two programs mirror each other to the point its almost strange but considering who helped build LSu and Alabama back to national prominence it isnt really a surprise. dont know who wins that game but I believe Alabam has just as good a shot as LSU and we are equally talented and return more starters. Our big Ol is made for runnng the football and that will be what we return to this yr; we will just have a qb that can actually throw the long pass now and hopefully do well enough to get 8 people out of the box against us.
This post was edited on 1/15/11 at 8:10 am
Posted on 1/15/11 at 8:06 am to labamafan
What...no love for the east?
Posted on 1/15/11 at 8:16 am to RFM
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What...no love for the east?
Last year the SECe was almost like the minor league of the SEC
Posted on 1/15/11 at 8:43 am to labamafan
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Bama LSu will be hard to predict. Very similar teams but I believe Bam has the edge. LSU replaces its 3 best def players and Baa loses one, but get back arguably its best pass rusher in CourtnetUpshaw and I am really excited about Jesse Williams. The LSU fan that kept bringing up qb and sacks. One Bama does not rely on the qb which is why you didnt see a drop off between JPW and 1st yr starter McElroy. Your offense is much more reliant on the qb than Bama. Two I would say atleast half the sacks given up by Bama were directly the fault of GM himself. Remeber the SC game where he just kept holding the ball; I think 8 sacks that game and two were not his fault. He holds the ball way too long and fixed it later that yr. Last these two teams are so close and were this past yr as well. The two programs mirror each other to the point its almost strange but considering who helped build LSu and Alabama back to national prominence it isnt really a surprise. dont know who wins that game but I believe Alabam has just as good a shot as LSU and we are equally talented and return more starters. Our big Ol is made for runnng the football and that will be what we return to this yr; we will just have a qb that can actually throw the long pass now and hopefully do well enough to get 8 people out of the box against us.
LSU doesn't replace players ....just reloads
Posted on 1/15/11 at 8:51 am to BSB HVR
It's going to be a rebuilding year for the conference in 2011. Look at all the underclassmen that are leaving. Do the SEC teams have the depth to replace players like Newton,Fairly,Peterson,Ridley,Ingram,Dareus,Mallet,Green,Hill,Cobb and a couple of others? That's a lot of talent. For the first time since the 2005 season I'm not convinced that the SEC will be the top conference.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 8:54 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
I will be the out on a limb guy and post up records too.
1. LSU (11-1 with a loss to Oregon to open)
2. Arkansas (11-1 with a loss to LSU) Brutal MSU/LSU combo at the end of the sesaon takes its toll but LSU gets the benefits.
3. Alabama (10-2 with losses to LSU and MSU)
4. Auburn (9-3 regular and 5-3 SEC with losses to Bama, Arkansas and LSU)
5. MSU (8-4 and 4-4 SEC Losses to Auburn, LSU, Arkansas and South Carolina)
6. Ole Miss (6-6 or 5-7 with a 2-6 SEC record)
1. LSU (11-1 with a loss to Oregon to open)
2. Arkansas (11-1 with a loss to LSU) Brutal MSU/LSU combo at the end of the sesaon takes its toll but LSU gets the benefits.
3. Alabama (10-2 with losses to LSU and MSU)
4. Auburn (9-3 regular and 5-3 SEC with losses to Bama, Arkansas and LSU)
5. MSU (8-4 and 4-4 SEC Losses to Auburn, LSU, Arkansas and South Carolina)
6. Ole Miss (6-6 or 5-7 with a 2-6 SEC record)
Posted on 1/15/11 at 9:07 am to Warfarer
Warfarer,
I can't argue with you about LSU losing to Oregon. We're not losing a lot but what we are losing will be difficult to replace. Plus Oregon's experience against Auburn the other night will better prepare them for the SEC style of play. As an LSU fan I'm worried sick about that game.
I can't argue with you about LSU losing to Oregon. We're not losing a lot but what we are losing will be difficult to replace. Plus Oregon's experience against Auburn the other night will better prepare them for the SEC style of play. As an LSU fan I'm worried sick about that game.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 9:16 am to tigerburningbright
I would give you the win if that game was 3 weeks later in the year. As an opener that will be brutal because of a few key players on LSU's side. Breaking in Mett and replacing your key defensive guys will be tough but will be dealt with by week 4.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 9:18 am to tigerburningbright
LSU will beat Oregon. games i'm most worried about are:
@WVU
@Tennessee
@Alabama
Arkansas
i won't make my official predictions until summer, but right now i see LSU going 10-2 and winning the West w/ a head-to-head tiebreaker over Alabama.
@WVU
@Tennessee
@Alabama
Arkansas
i won't make my official predictions until summer, but right now i see LSU going 10-2 and winning the West w/ a head-to-head tiebreaker over Alabama.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 9:28 am to Warfarer
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1. LSU
2. Arkansas
3. Alabama
4. Auburn
5. MSU
6. Ole Miss
Somebody FINALLY got it right. If this holds up, then LSU to SEC Championship and on to the BCS Title game if they take care of USCe.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 9:32 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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We played a more difficult schedule than you, and head to head, your higher rated offense put up less yards on our defense than our woeful offense put up on your defense.
I'm sure you're taking the more difficult schedule part from the computers but if you had a more difficult schedule it was only by a miniscule amount and it was basically the difference between playing Penn State and playing North Carolina and West Virginia. In conference things definitely evened up so if your idea held any weight then clearly LSU should have had a better defense in conference.
But
Alabama= 17.8 points per game
LSU=19.6 points per game
Again, they were pretty similar defenses last year although Alabama's was clearly statistically better. The difference being you lost without question your 3 best players.We lost one of our best players. And still LSU is just "more talented."
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Again, LSU outrushed Alabama this year. Spencer Ware had over 100 yds rushing against TAMU and averaged 10 yds per carry. I like our chances to out rush UA again, especially since we expect to have a better passing offense this year.
Oh, Dear God.
So your argument supporting your idea that LSU has a better group of running backs is that LSU out rushed Alabama last year? By a whole five yards a game! I guess you have to come up with something because just saying Ware/Ford>Richardson/Lacy would sound utterly absurd. There are so many problems with this argument. The fact that there are so many variables affecting team rushing stats outside of the control of the running backs. The quality of the offensive line, the amount of times a team runs the ball, etc. The fact that the guy who rushed for a majority of your yards is gone while we bring back a 700 yard rusher. But the biggest problem with your argument is Alabama's running backs actually rushed for more yards last year than LSU's did.
Alabama running backs=2,232 yards rushing
LSU running backs=1,776 yards rushing
The reason why LSU out rushed Alabama overall (by five whole yards a game) is Jordan Jefferson ran for 450 yards while McElroy swaggered his way to like -18.
So, just to get this straight, your argument is that LSU's running backs should be better than ours next year because Jordan Jefferson out rushed McElroy?
This post was edited on 1/15/11 at 9:33 am
Posted on 1/15/11 at 9:34 am to Rohan2Reed
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@WVU
@Tennessee
I know you guys have the voodoo and all that over us, but your trip to Starkville will be much tougher than than either one of those 2 trips
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