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re: Predestination or freedom of choice

Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:13 am to
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:13 am to
That and allowed him to have his greatest NFL game before demigod Elway fired him shortly after.

The devil won.
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:18 am to
What if a coach sold his soul to the devil to beat Alabama while at a school in a state that borders Alabama?
Posted by GreatPumpkin
Member since Mar 2022
3055 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:22 am to
I don’t know but it sure feels like Tennessee is damned sometimes
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
31223 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:23 am to
quote:

He helped Tebow beat all the demons on the teams he played against. He chose sides and Tim was his man.



Absolutely.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
31223 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:24 am to
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I don’t know but it sure feels like Tennessee is damned sometimes



You could ask a Presbyterian man about this. Some are called to damnation.

Kidding kidding brother
Posted by GreatPumpkin
Member since Mar 2022
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:25 am to
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You could ask a Presbyterian man about this. Some are called to damnation. Kidding kidding brother

That’s hilarious it sure do feel like it
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 9:26 am
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37682 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:27 am to
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On January 8, Denver hosted the Pittsburgh Steelers during the Wild Card Round of the NFL playoffs. Tebow completed 10-of-21 passes for a career-high 316 yards and two touchdowns, including an 80-yard touchdown to Demaryius Thomas on the first play of overtime, as the Broncos won 29–23.[170] Media sources noted Tebow's passing yards (316) and yards per completion (31.6) evoked the Bible's John 3:16. The Nielsen ratings for the game also peaked at 31.6.

Yeah God was speaking to him about something.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50531 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:28 am to
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This is not a response thread

Spoken like a sinner
Posted by junkyarddawg3
Metro ATL
Member since Nov 2015
871 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:29 am to
What if my name is “Christian” but I’m Buddist?

Can I still play?
Posted by Wallacewade04
He's here, he's there, everywhere
Member since Dec 2011
2872 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:31 am to
As a Catholic I will say

we are all guilty we are all bad, that included Hugh Freeze!


not for the hookers or any of the weird stuff, but just in general, Hugh like all of us is gross and bad and should feel bad so go to church (where father better get us out in a crisp 55-60 minutes so help me) go to confession then go get communion and Hugh Auburn and all of us will be all right

football? oh we're all on our own god doesn't care

he also doesn't care about drinking or gambling so that's fun

but in summation me, you, Hugh, Auburn, all teams, everybody bad and should feel guilty
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29692 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:35 am to
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Does God call a football coach or team to suck?



I'm not super religious, but I heard a phrase once that resonated with me as it pertains to sports. "God is involved with everything."

Now, a coach proclaiming God called them here or there, that's up to them and God. But just because God called you somewhere doesn't mean He is interested in you winning at that destination. He COULD be involved with you losing for whatever many reasons an Almighty may have.

Philosophically, it does seem that God would be interested in an activity that DEEPLY affects the psyche of His people, and sports do that in a unique way. You always hear pastors say "If only we could have a congregation that felt the way they do about their team, about God and church." So, it does make sense God would find ways to generally affect us through it all.

In conclusion, God is an Alabama fan.
Posted by AshleySchaeffer
Lake Placid, Fl
Member since Sep 2015
1161 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:37 am to
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Matthew 7:15-20

A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.


Bear witness to the fruit of Hugh Freeze, past and present.

God gives us the desire and will do His work, but we have freedom of choice to disobey his will.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 9:39 am
Posted by swamp74
Member since Oct 2011
294 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:38 am to
Sovereignty of God does not negate man’s responsibility, Hugh could win if he chose to lol.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
31223 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Spoken like a sinner



"Hate the sin, love the sinner."

-- Hugh Freeze, Chief Sinner
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6847 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 12:14 pm to
I doubt that God cares about who wins the games. But He certainly cares for the people involved on both sides of the football field
Posted by Gunga Din
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2020
3173 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways


-God


God does what he damn well pleases...

He can predestine or he can give you freedom of choice ordo both at the same time...

Because by God.... He is God....
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
17627 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

As a Catholic I will say
quote:

everybody bad and should feel guilty
Really fulfilling that Catholic guilt stereotype, aren't you, bud?
Posted by Mediocre
Member since Oct 2025
352 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 1:05 pm to
As a reformed Baptist, who studies the word, there is NOTHING outside the will of God.


Daniel 4:35 "All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: 'What have you done?'


Psalm 115:3 “Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him"


Proverb 16:33 “The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord"

I could literally go on and on, and point to entire passages of the New Testament.


God can use a football game to bring conviction to a man and open his eyes to see he idolizes a sport played by children, and show him his need for a savior. And He can use that same game to harden a man’s heart allowing that man to do what he wanted to do in the first place and curse God because the game didn’t go his way.

I could think of several scenarios where God can use even a football game to accomplish His will which is ultimately for Jesus Christ to be glorified. I love it when a big sports figure gets on the grand stage and uses it to point others to Christ and not himself. To God be the glory, forever and ever. Amen.

I pray everyone here has repented and trust in Christ for the forgiveness of sin and been born again into the kingdom of God. :)
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 1:10 pm
Posted by TouchdownAlabama
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
2205 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 1:07 pm to
Hugh trying to channel his inner Esther “for such a time as this” not realizing that he actually is supposed to be the one with agency in the situation, lmao.
Posted by N0T SURE
Member since Dec 2023
1961 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 1:12 pm to
This is one of those fun topics where everyone takes their favorite cherry picked verse and forgets things like context, audience relevance and timing.
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