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re: Pre 1970 was the Sugar Bowl a lot less prestigious?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:41 am to GnashRebel
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:41 am to GnashRebel
That topic was already discussed and given what little 
merit it deserved
merit it deserved
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:57 am to Old Sarge
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It wasn't a comparison of SWC vs sec overall or during any particular period
Gotcha. It just sounded like you were pimping the SWC during it's final years. My bad.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:58 am to Bamatab
No just offering a fair rebuttal to the poster
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:23 pm to MSU5
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I still think it's hilarious how you guys got mega-trolled on national television by the reporter that was showing how everyone was wearing hats with a "3" on them for their " 3 national titles." I have never laughed so hard in my life. So fricking Ole Miss.
Could be worse... see #webelieve
:rotflmao:
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:53 pm to Old Sarge
Its not surprising that Aggies have no clue about bowl games. The Sugar Bowl was always prestigious, even before 1970, simply because there were hardly any bowl games that were played. Before 1970, it was a big deal just to get invited to play in a bowl game. They were all big.
The Rose Bowl started it all in 1923, although a different version of it had been in existence for 20 years. By 1940 there were five bowl games in existence - Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange and Sun. In 1950 there were 8, and in 1960 there were still 8. By 1970 there were 11. Things took off from there.
The Sugar Bowl has had close ties with the SEC since 1950.
The term "bowl game" was originally a reference to the Rose Bowl stadium.
ETA: There are 41 bowl games this year, enough of them to be college football's version of a participation trophy if you're not in the CFP.
The Rose Bowl started it all in 1923, although a different version of it had been in existence for 20 years. By 1940 there were five bowl games in existence - Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange and Sun. In 1950 there were 8, and in 1960 there were still 8. By 1970 there were 11. Things took off from there.
The Sugar Bowl has had close ties with the SEC since 1950.
The term "bowl game" was originally a reference to the Rose Bowl stadium.
ETA: There are 41 bowl games this year, enough of them to be college football's version of a participation trophy if you're not in the CFP.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:01 pm to Roses of Crimson
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In the mid 70's it became the destination for the SEC champ so it became prestigious then but not really before that.
The Sugar Bowl has always been one of the "big four" bowls. The SEC tie-in didn't change its status to any significant degree.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:05 pm to Old Sarge
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So it was a much more regional bowl before 70,
No, it wasn't. LSU played Santa Clara twice in the Sugar Bowl in the 1930s, and played Syracuse and Wyoming there in the 1960s. We also capped off our undefeated 1958 national championship season there with a win over Clemson.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:08 pm to Old Sarge
Pre 1980, the Sugar, Cotton, Rose and Orange
were the definitive New Year's Day Bowls and everything else was just really second tier.
With the proliferation of TV and sports programming in the late 70s - 1980's, other bowls began to play on NYD.
Toastito's Fiesta Bowl took the Cotton Bowl prestige away in the late 80s. Jerry World took it back.
Ole Miss prestige is really old, but CHF is doing a pretty good job of bringing them back to being noticed.
were the definitive New Year's Day Bowls and everything else was just really second tier.
With the proliferation of TV and sports programming in the late 70s - 1980's, other bowls began to play on NYD.
Toastito's Fiesta Bowl took the Cotton Bowl prestige away in the late 80s. Jerry World took it back.
Ole Miss prestige is really old, but CHF is doing a pretty good job of bringing them back to being noticed.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:40 pm to TroyTider
Another thing to note for you youngsters, is that the bowls used to have much more independence.
They are still privately owned and they operate for a profit, but back before these huge TV contracts, bowls were motivated to invite which ever teams would be the most interesting matchup that would also bring the most spectators.
They were seen more like exhibition games between a "regional power" versus a team from a distant conference. Such match ups were much more rare during the regular season.
As a result, it was quite normal for some big name program to be invited to a bowl over a higher ranked team because the bowl wanted to make more money.
It was also normal for the big bowls to do some back room wheeling and dealing to get the match ups that would be most advantageous. Most of the time, the bowls saw themselves as being in competition, but sometimes deals were struck for the mutual benefit of the bowls.
All this talk about "which of the major bowls was more prestigious" is simply revisionist thinking. The Rose Bowl had the tie in between the Pac 10 and Big 10, which brought these two top conferences together for a big bowl.
Big 10 folks travelled well, probably motivated to get out of the cold and to visit California. Don't underestimate how star struck the rest of the country was about California, Los Angeles, and Hollywood. It was a top travel destination.
After the Rose, the other big bowls, Cotton, Sugar, and Orange, were all considered equal in prestige, depending on which teams they landed for that particular year.
They are still privately owned and they operate for a profit, but back before these huge TV contracts, bowls were motivated to invite which ever teams would be the most interesting matchup that would also bring the most spectators.
They were seen more like exhibition games between a "regional power" versus a team from a distant conference. Such match ups were much more rare during the regular season.
As a result, it was quite normal for some big name program to be invited to a bowl over a higher ranked team because the bowl wanted to make more money.
It was also normal for the big bowls to do some back room wheeling and dealing to get the match ups that would be most advantageous. Most of the time, the bowls saw themselves as being in competition, but sometimes deals were struck for the mutual benefit of the bowls.
All this talk about "which of the major bowls was more prestigious" is simply revisionist thinking. The Rose Bowl had the tie in between the Pac 10 and Big 10, which brought these two top conferences together for a big bowl.
Big 10 folks travelled well, probably motivated to get out of the cold and to visit California. Don't underestimate how star struck the rest of the country was about California, Los Angeles, and Hollywood. It was a top travel destination.
After the Rose, the other big bowls, Cotton, Sugar, and Orange, were all considered equal in prestige, depending on which teams they landed for that particular year.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:55 pm to Jimbeaux
Appreciate all the serious responses from the last few of y'all, even el gato who started out with a smart arse remark
Thinking about ordering this now but frick 25$
History of bowl games
Thinking about ordering this now but frick 25$
History of bowl games
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:03 pm to Old Sarge
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Appreciate all the serious responses from the last few of y'all
Just ran some numbers on the Big 4 bowls.
Prior to 1970 the #1 team in the land played in...
...the Rose Bowl 6 times,
...the Sugar Bowl 6 times,
...the Orange Bowl 3 times,
...the Cotton Bowl 3 times.
- wiki
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:06 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
...the Rose Bowl 6 times,
...the Sugar Bowl 6 times,
...the Orange Bowl 3 times,
...the Cotton Bowl 3 times.
Great talking point, but that's only 18 years?
...the Sugar Bowl 6 times,
...the Orange Bowl 3 times,
...the Cotton Bowl 3 times.
Great talking point, but that's only 18 years?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:12 pm to Old Sarge
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Great talking point, but that's only 18 years?
No, it's not. That's going back to 1936 - the advent of the AP poll.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:15 pm to Old Sarge
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:15 pm to Old Sarge
Used to be there were 4 big bowl games. You actually had to be pretty good to get a bowl invite, some 2-3 loss teams didn't get them.
Sugar, Rose, Cotton and Orange on New Years Day was the highlight of college football season.
Sugar, Rose, Cotton and Orange on New Years Day was the highlight of college football season.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:16 pm to el gato
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even el gato
I am honored to be called out.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:20 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
You misunderstood me.
That's only 18 #1's total between the 4 bowls from 36 to 70 that's 35 potential #1's but the 4 major bowl games we are discussing only determined 18
The other 17?
And quit trying to be confrontational, no ones trolling, just discussing
That's only 18 #1's total between the 4 bowls from 36 to 70 that's 35 potential #1's but the 4 major bowl games we are discussing only determined 18
The other 17?
And quit trying to be confrontational, no ones trolling, just discussing
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:21 pm to el gato
Sometimes it's ok to just talk about football stuff
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:23 pm to Old Sarge
I just looked at wiki; it appears ND was #1 many years and didn't participate in bowls, same with Army?
I'd dig more but I'm behind on actual work
I'd dig more but I'm behind on actual work
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:23 pm to Old Sarge
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And quit trying to be confrontational
Quit being paranoid, I'm not being confrontational. Sometimes the #1 team didn't go to any bowl game. Teams like Notre dame and Army didn't accept bowl invites prior to 1970. Also, with the B10/P8/10 tie-in rules, when two teams that shared a championship in the B10, the team that had the most recent trip sat out - even if they were the #1 team.
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