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re: Pick a Football Coach: Kirby vs Saban
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:02 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:02 pm to deeprig9
Saban. Most of Bama's loses during the Saban era can be attributed to the Defense getting exposed:
2008: UF and Utah
2010: SC and AU
2012: A&M
2013: AU and OU
2014: Ole Miss (plus AU put 630 yards on that D)
2015: Ole Miss, OU
If you study those loses, most were the result of QBs exposing the Bama DBs (Smart's Position). There just wasn't many great QBs in the SEC during that stretch.
Kirby is proven he can recruit, but anyone should be able to at UGA.
2008: UF and Utah
2010: SC and AU
2012: A&M
2013: AU and OU
2014: Ole Miss (plus AU put 630 yards on that D)
2015: Ole Miss, OU
If you study those loses, most were the result of QBs exposing the Bama DBs (Smart's Position). There just wasn't many great QBs in the SEC during that stretch.
Kirby is proven he can recruit, but anyone should be able to at UGA.
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:07 pm to deeprig9
Give me Saban any day over McElwain 2.0. (see my sig)
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:08 pm to deeprig9
Saban and it isn't close...
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Over the next 5 years I don't see how anyone could possibly chose someone over Saban.
I guess it could depend on what the talent level on the current team of the program in question was. Saban's genius is as a recruiter and personnel guy, imo. He's not necessarily a "do more with less" coach. If it takes him 2-3 years to get the roster up to near his standards, then he's even more up there in age. His age might get used against him in such a situation, also.
If your team is loaded (Alabama, UGA, Clemson, USCw, OSU, or the like) Saban is certainly the safer play for the short-term.
I'm just spitballing really.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:15 pm to jvilletiger25
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McElwain 2.0.
McElwain sucked because he couldn't get players, which is a problem Smart doesn't have.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:16 pm to deeprig9
Clown question bro
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:16 pm to deeprig9
This wasn't a very good topic...kirby is still proving himself. While Saban is a legend
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:16 pm to deeprig9
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If you could wave a magic wand, and have either coach for your team, which would you pick?
Every fanbase in the entire country would take Saban, every single one.
The only reservations would be if a program thinks they have a national championship caliber coach, and will hold on to him, for 10+ years.
Every single program would sell out for a title or more over the next 5 years, no matter how much they like their current coach.
I would go so far as to say 95+% of all D-1 teams would fire their coach right now, and pay whatever buyout, just to hire Saban. In fact, there may be less than a handful that wouldn't
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:17 pm to deeprig9
Had I asked something like this. I would be getting on how terrible of a poster I am lol
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:17 pm to Crowknowsbest
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He's not necessarily a "do more with less" coach
He went 26-2 in 2008/2009, including a 14-0 national title season with a starting lineup filled with 3-star Shula recruits across the board.
Actually very similar start to what Kirby did but with a less talented inherited roster (though a more dynamic first big class, IMHO).
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:17 pm to Irons Puppet
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2015: Ole Miss, OU
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:18 pm to deeprig9
Kirby
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:18 pm to Irons Puppet
This thread sounds like another therapy session where a few Georgia fans fight off the haunting demons from the national championship loss.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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He went 26-2 in 2008/2009, including a 14-0 national title season with a starting lineup filled with 3-star Shula recruits across the board.
I'll grant you 2008, but by 2009 Alabama had two elite classes on it and some other very good upperclassmen.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:22 pm to deeprig9
If we get a free pass from the NCAA then Saban. If not, smart hasn't coached long enough, in a good division, to tell.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:22 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I'll grant you 2008, but by 2009 Alabama had two elite classes on it and some other very good upperclassmen.
Those good upperclassmen were all Shula kids and most were 3-star type players (Arenas, Woodall, Anders, Deadrick, McElory, all the offensive linemen, etc).
Saban can win with lesser talent, that lesser talent just has to buy in completely to the system. And, they did, because they wanted to win so incredibly bad (much like UGA this season I'm guessing).
That's another thing that Kirby has in front of him - keeping the fire in the program alive after that first wave of kids from the old guard that bought in leave. I think he'll be fine at it, but again, it's another unknown.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:23 pm to deeprig9
Are you fricking insane asking this question?
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:26 pm to thomasbrown_2007
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Had I asked something like this. I would be getting on how terrible of a poster I am lol
You are a terrible poster. Deeprig isn't a terrible poster -- he's been around long enough to prove that -- but people are certainly saying this isn't a good question throughout the entire thread.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Those good upperclassmen were all Shula kids and most were 3-star type players (Arenas, Woodall, Anders, Deadrick, McElory, all the offensive linemen, etc)
They may have been 3* but they were still NFL type players.
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Saban can win with lesser talent, that lesser talent just has to buy in completely to the system. And, they did, because they wanted to win so incredibly bad (much like UGA this season I'm guessing).
For the record, I never intended my comment to be any sort of slight at Saban. My point was that he isn't doing anything particularly exotic or unconventional schematically that would make up for a talent deficit.
His recruiting and development success is far more important than that would be.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:30 pm to Crowknowsbest
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For the record, I never intended my comment to be any sort of slight at Saban. My point was that he isn't doing anything particularly exotic or unconventional schematically that would make up for a talent deficit.
Dunno. Some of his defensive packages are pretty nice.
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