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re: PFF: Top 10 returning SEC players
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:37 pm to logjamming
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:37 pm to logjamming
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Yep. THIS is the year for sure. UGA couldn’t get over the hump with DJ Shockley, or Matt Stafford, or Aaron Murray, or Jacob Eason, or Jake Fromm.
But Jamie Newman is the guy. No doubt about it.
Your post doesn’t have a thing to do with any post from a uga poster itt.
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:39 pm to Crowknowsbest
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23rd nationally isn't "exceedingly dominant" relative to anything in the power 5, which is what the post I responded to said.
The post you responded to said the SEC is more difficult than the "average ACC team".
The SEC (excluding UGA) averaged 23.7 PPG against, good for an average of 44th nationally. There were 5 teams in the top 25.
The ACC (excluding Wake Forest) averaged 27.7 PPG against, good for an average of 71st nationally. There were 2 teams in the top 25.
I think it's safe to say the SEC is a much better defensive conference, and UT was better than most of the ACC defenses.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:41 pm to NattyTiger19
Exactly!!
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:43 pm to diddlydawg7
Newman #3 really is laughable
Surtain is not a Top 10 player in this league
Surtain is not a Top 10 player in this league
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:46 pm to diddlydawg7
Jamie frickin Newman at #3 is just ridiculous. That's just not even close to being correct.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:49 pm to burreauxxx
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Surtain is not a Top 10 player in this league
Based on what, exactly?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:51 pm to RB10
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I think it's safe to say the SEC is a much better defensive conference, and UT was better than most of the ACC defenses.
I agree. The poster I responded to said exceedingly dominant. The stats you quoted are not anything like “exceedingly dominant.”
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:53 pm to diddlydawg7
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3. QB JAMIE NEWMAN, GEORGIA
Wait a second... let me reconsider.
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8. RB NAJEE HARRIS, ALABAMA
Wayyyyyyyyyyy underrated.
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10. QB KELLEN MOND, TEXAS A&M
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:58 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I agree. The poster I responded to said exceedingly dominant. The stats you quoted are not anything like “exceedingly dominant.”
The SEC is 4 PPG and 30 spots better, on average, than the ACC.
Over 1/3 of the SEC defenses were ranked in the top 20, not including UGA. Half of the SEC defenses were ranked in the top 31. 2 ACC defenses were ranked in the top 40.
Conversely, half of the ACC defenses were ranked outside of the top 70. 3 SEC defense were.
"Exceedingly dominant" is a pretty accurate phrase to describe the difference between the SEC and ACC.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:01 pm to RB10
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"Exceedingly dominant" is a pretty accurate phrase to describe the difference between the SEC and ACC.
“Exceedingly dominant” would imply that SEC is loaded with elite defenses, which is just not the case.
Will the defenses he plays next year he better on average? Yes.
Will the talent on his team be better? Also yes.
Is he likely to win the Heisman Trophy? No.
Is he likely to be completely out of his athletic depth? Also no.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:02 pm to logjamming
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Yep. THIS is the year for sure. UGA couldn’t get over the hump with DJ Shockley, or Matt Stafford, or Aaron Murray, or Jacob Eason, or Jake Fromm.
But Jamie Newman is the guy. No doubt about it.
Are you serious? I guess if Tennessee couldn’t win a natty with Peyton Manning they definitely can’t with Tee Martin. If LSU can’t win a natty with Jamarcus Russel they definitely won’t with Matt Flynn...
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:03 pm to David Ricky
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VOLS finished 23rd nationally in total defense, which would’ve been good enough for 3rd in the ACC and far better than UNC’s or Duke’s iirc
Tennessee’s defense was the only SEC defense to give up 30+ to UGA.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:04 pm to Crowknowsbest
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“Exceedingly dominant” would imply that SEC is loaded with elite defenses, which is just not the case.
What?
6 total in the top 20. 8 total in the top 31. This is compared against 7 outside of the top 7 and only 2 inside the top 40.
That's as big of a gap as you'll find.
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Will the defenses he plays next year he better on average? Yes.
Will the talent on his team be better? Also yes.
Is he likely to win the Heisman Trophy? No.
Is he likely to be completely out of his athletic depth? Also no.
Irrelevant. The point is the conference he's coming to is much, much better than the one he left. Particularly on the defensive side of the ball.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:04 pm to atlanta917
As a Georgia fan, I’m a little skeptical of Newman.
I need to see more from him.
The problem with this thread, however, is that we don’t need him to be a Heisman winner. We need him to be a good, efficient QB. Georgia is projected to have the best defense in the country by far.
We just need Jamie to be decent.
I need to see more from him.
The problem with this thread, however, is that we don’t need him to be a Heisman winner. We need him to be a good, efficient QB. Georgia is projected to have the best defense in the country by far.
We just need Jamie to be decent.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:07 pm to RB10
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That's as big of a gap as you'll find.
... and yet is still not exceedingly dominant.
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Irrelevant. The point is the conference he's coming to is much, much better than the one he left. Particularly on the defensive side of the ball.
How is the higher level of talent surrounding him not relevant when discussing the impact of playing against a higher level of defensive talent? That seems like a critical factor.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:07 pm to RB10
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The point is the conference he's coming to is much, much better than the one he left. Particularly on the defensive side of the ball.
While this is true, it’s only half of the equation.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:09 pm to diddlydawg7
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As a Georgia fan, I’m a little skeptical of Newman.
I need to see more from him.
He’s definitely a question mark. He played on the least talented team in the ACC, so he’ll have more help at UGA. On the flip side he’ll be playing against better defenses.
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The problem with this thread, however, is that we don’t need him to be a Heisman winner. We need him to be a good, efficient QB. Georgia is projected to have the best defense in the country by far.
Exactly. Ppl acting like he can’t replace Fromm’s production have seemingly forgot Fromm never put up crazy numbers. If Kirby hands the keys to Monken and doesn’t interfere then the offense should be remarkably better.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
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and yet is still not exceedingly dominant.
As far as conference vs. conference is concerned (which is what's being discussed) it absolutely is.
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How is the higher level of talent surrounding him not relevant when discussing the impact of playing against a higher level of defensive talent? That seems like a critical factor.
Have that discussion all you want. The discussion that's more interesting, to others, is Newman's mediocre production in a terrible conference.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:13 pm to RB10
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As far as conference vs. conference is concerned (which is what's being discussed) it absolutely is.
No, it isn’t.
Of the SEC teams on UGA’s regular season schedule next season, only 1 (Auburn) had a 2019 defense that even resembles what could be called dominant. 2 more (Florida and Alabama) have top 5-10 potential. The rest are somewhere between average and mediocre.
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The discussion that's more interesting, to others, is Newman's mediocre production in a terrible conference.
PFF didn’t think it was mediocre. He did well until the only other good players Wake had got injured.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:13 pm to RB10
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The discussion that's more interesting, to others, is Newman's mediocre production in a terrible conference.
Only to the ppl trying to push a narrative that fits them. Acting like the talent level at UGA and wake are the same and the only difference will be opposing defenses is an awful take, though not surprising from an LSU fan.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:14 pm
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