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Posted on 9/5/19 at 9:56 pm to narddogg81
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Go back to the bcs
Yes. It worked.
What does “at large” mean?
Does this mean bama gets a double mulligan every year?
Or if you don’t win the SEC you’re not in?
Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:24 pm to 3down10
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And then when you go to 8 teams you still think you need AQ status?
If your conference champion can't make it into the top8, there's a very good reason for it.
I don’t know if I like the 8 team playoff idea as a whole or not. That being said, if CFB did go to an 8 team playoff, I think automatic qualifiers would make plenty of sense.
In 2015, the AFC South was the worst division in the NFL. The Texans, at 9-7, finished with a worse record than six other AFC teams. But they made the playoffs. Why? Because they won their division.
In 2014 the NFC South was the worst division in the NFL. The Panthers, at 7-8-1, finished with a worse record than seven other NFC teams. But they won their division, and they made the playoffs. Neither of these teams would have made the playoffs under an at-large system.
In the NFL, the goal is to 1) win your division, 2) win your conference, and 3) win the Super Bowl. In my mind College should be no different - if conference championships don’t matter, conferences don’t matter. I like the fact that each SEC game is a war to stay on top in the division. And I think teams should be rewarded for winning that war.
The 2014 Panthers and the 2015 Texans both got bounced out before the conference championship games. Similarly, the reality is that an 8-4 PAC 12 Champion probably isn’t going to make a run in January and win a title. But there has only been one P5 Champion to finish outside of the top 8 in the playoff rankings: 2018 Washington. If #9 Washington gets in over #7 Michigan last year, does it really make a difference?
Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:41 pm to diddlydawg7
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-Best Group of 5 team
Define "Best"
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-SEC champion
-ACC champion
-B1G champion
-B12 Champion
-PAC champion
Works until you see several 11-1 teams sitting at home and 2 4 loss teams are in the playoffs.
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-Conference Championships mean something
They already do.
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#1 Clemson vs #8 Washington
#2 Alabama vs #7 UCF
#3 Notre Dame vs #6 Georgia
#4 Oklahoma vs #5 Ohio State
Technically Alabama was the #1 seed last year.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 11:56 pm to diddlydawg7
There is no perfect playoff system and never will be because the structure of CFB makes sure it will never be exclusively decided on the field. It’s inherently flawed no matter how many teams are “picked”
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:27 am to diddlydawg7
UCF doesn’t deserve to be in the playoffs. Whether it be 4 or 8 teams.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:34 am to diddlydawg7
Who makes the at large and G5 "judgments"?
You really want a 4 loos conference champion in the playoffs?I can assure you it will happen.
You really want a 4 loos conference champion in the playoffs?I can assure you it will happen.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 4:41 am to RD Dawg
Then why have a cg if they're not going to count for anything?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 5:54 am to southernboisb
Why is it that in any other sport we can use a playoff system. Divisions and conferences count and every time someone mentions it in a college playoff people have to drag polls back into it. Are preseason polls so important to College football? Is it so important that we predetermine rankings before the season starts to enjoy the season. Does anyone realize how stupid this argument really is? Would we really enjoy it that much less? I think it would bring more excitement to the game because everyone would feel they have a shot. Much like March madness an 8 or sixteen team playoff would be great.
TV is what’s keeping this from not happening because ESPN needs the content of the 20 or so bowl games they own to show during the dead days of December and January. Conferences and Universities are afraid they are going to lose some prize money but they all lose anyway because it cost them more to go to these Bowl games than they make.the reasons are pretty stupid.
TV is what’s keeping this from not happening because ESPN needs the content of the 20 or so bowl games they own to show during the dead days of December and January. Conferences and Universities are afraid they are going to lose some prize money but they all lose anyway because it cost them more to go to these Bowl games than they make.the reasons are pretty stupid.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 6:09 am to diddlydawg7
All an 8 team playoff does is piss off the 9th placed team instead of the 5th placed team..
Posted on 9/6/19 at 6:12 am to kingbob
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relegation system
^Yes please!
Posted on 9/6/19 at 6:16 am to Jyrdis
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It will be the perfect system till it’s not.
True.
No need to have conference championship games if you are going to let at large teams in.
If okie lite wins the big 12 championship over Oklahoma but Oklahoma gets in anyway, they should really eliminate the conf game.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 6:23 am to diddlydawg7
This is imperfect to start....
The conferences are imbalanced in the first place
B1G + B12 + PAC are weaker conferences from top to bottom and have no real fixed cross conference opponents outside of Iowa vs Iowa State
ACC + SEC play 4 fixed cross conference games per season + 4 more cross conference on average every other year.
All you really need is 2 for a MNC game, so 4 for the CFP is fine. If you want to be in it then win your regular season games! The problem with a committee is they will seed to fit a narrative and not to fit the the actual best teams
They do, unless it is Ohio State, who took Penn State's spot a few years ago.
Staying at 4 keeps them out as it should for playing that weak arse schedule
Notre Dame will be in a conference as soon as the older donors die off (baby boomer). They know they will be in the ACC and so does the ACC. Just let it happen.
As for last year....
PAC sucked, Washington should not have had a shot at a MNC
UCF played weak, should never be rewarded with a MNC shot with that schedule
ND was an outlier last year as refs gave them the Vanderbilt game and the rest of their normally challenging schedule was hit by a perfect storm of down teams
OSU lost to Perdue, if they wanted in they needed to win that game
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-9 Game Conference Schedule
-2 OOC Games vs FBS teams
The conferences are imbalanced in the first place
B1G + B12 + PAC are weaker conferences from top to bottom and have no real fixed cross conference opponents outside of Iowa vs Iowa State
ACC + SEC play 4 fixed cross conference games per season + 4 more cross conference on average every other year.
All you really need is 2 for a MNC game, so 4 for the CFP is fine. If you want to be in it then win your regular season games! The problem with a committee is they will seed to fit a narrative and not to fit the the actual best teams
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-Conference Championships mean something
They do, unless it is Ohio State, who took Penn State's spot a few years ago.
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-No more UCF complaints
Staying at 4 keeps them out as it should for playing that weak arse schedule
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-Notre Dame punished for not joining conference
Notre Dame will be in a conference as soon as the older donors die off (baby boomer). They know they will be in the ACC and so does the ACC. Just let it happen.
As for last year....
PAC sucked, Washington should not have had a shot at a MNC
UCF played weak, should never be rewarded with a MNC shot with that schedule
ND was an outlier last year as refs gave them the Vanderbilt game and the rest of their normally challenging schedule was hit by a perfect storm of down teams
OSU lost to Perdue, if they wanted in they needed to win that game
Posted on 9/6/19 at 7:13 am to diddlydawg7
No. Dissolve big 12. Create 4 super conferences of 16 teams each. Sorry notre Dame, you have to pay someone to swap with you. 4 conference winners get in. Conf championship games make it a de facto 8 team playoff.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 7:25 am to EasterEgg
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No. Dissolve big 12. Create 4 super conferences of 16 teams each.
Yo do not have to dissolve the B12
With the current state of CFB...
B1G, ACC, and SEC stay where they are but Irish go all in on ACC
B12 winner plays PAC winner (if necessary in a given year) and you have 4 team playoff after that game.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 7:29 am to diddlydawg7
The only reason that so many people want a larger playoff is because they know it gives their team a better shot of getting in. It's not about getting a true champion. It's about fandom.
I was happy with 2 teams. I can live with 4. If we go to 8, we're going to start getting some teams that win a couple of fluke games and are crowned champion.
I was happy with 2 teams. I can live with 4. If we go to 8, we're going to start getting some teams that win a couple of fluke games and are crowned champion.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 8:36 am to lostinbr
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In 2015, the AFC South was the worst division in the NFL.
We are talking college football.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 8:39 am to diddlydawg7
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-Best Group of 5 team
Great so a two loss Houston can make the playoff but a one loss LSU or Michigan might sit home. Yeah its perfect
Posted on 9/6/19 at 8:43 am to kingbob
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In addition, we could even talk some kind of relegation system where teams can move up and down between the major conferences and the mid majors.
Why would the current teams in the major conferences agree to this?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 8:44 am to diddlydawg7
I like this, win your conference and your in.
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