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re: OU/Texas climbing to the top of SEC recruiting
Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:33 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:33 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
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Maybe Texas will beat Kansas this year?
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:35 pm to Boomer00
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And steamrolling a Venables defense? When has that happened?
Seems like this happened right about the time Brent was run out of Norman on a rail. But it'll be completely different this time I'm sure.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:36 pm to Arksulli
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Yes, and you both always wind up in the "Oh My God" level of classes. Then Texas catches fire, rolls over, and sinks. Oklahoma gets through the regular season and then someone goes full on Deliverance in the CFP.
The best thing in the world is for Oklahoma... and possibly Texas... to join the SEC where you see your highly rated class get treated like toilet paper. Not just once a year, but multiple times a year.
Then you start to build a complete team. Once that happens, well yeah, a Natty is actually within reach
You act as if Texas and OU haven't been there before. The Big 12 Version 1.0 was a pretty damn competitive conference...It's not as if they did not want to build complete classes, it just sucked when one of their bastard little brethren went to the SEC and tore down the wall they had built around Texas, and let the SEC in..
They used to get all the Oline and Dline and Linebackers, etc they needed from the state of Texas to be buzz saw type programs. As soon as A&M tore down that wall, the SEC came in and got all the good Oline, Dline, Linebackers, etc...That has been the problem the last 12 years at least for Texas. That and coaching...Hermann was actually a decent coach, but without an Oline or Dline and good depth, any coach will suck arse.
All this talk about how much greater the SEC is, blah blah blah, you will see that Texas and OU will be competitive in the SEC pretty quickly once they join..All the negative recruiting that went on against them in the Big 12 will be gone, and all the booster/ bag money shenanigans will be gone too with NIL. You guys (the SEC) just helped a couple of sleeping tigers wake up. Thanks...
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:39 pm to Boomer00
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And steamrolling a Venables defense? When has that happened?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:41 pm to Ttazhorn
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As soon as A&M tore down that wall, the SEC came in and got all the good Oline, Dline, Linebackers, etc
Wtf are you babbling about? The SEC won the national championship 7 out of the 9 years prior to A&M joining.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:41 pm to Ttazhorn
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You act as if Texas and OU haven't been there before. The Big 12 Version 1.0 was a pretty damn competitive conference...It's not as if they did not want to build complete classes, it just sucked when one of their bastard little brethren went to the SEC and tore down the wall they had built around Texas, and let the SEC in..
They used to get all the Oline and Dline and Linebackers, etc they needed from the state of Texas to be buzz saw type programs. As soon as A&M tore down that wall, the SEC came in and got all the good Oline, Dline, Linebackers, etc...That has been the problem the last 12 years at least for Texas. That and coaching...Hermann was actually a decent coach, but without an Oline or Dline and good depth, any coach will suck arse.
All this talk about how much greater the SEC is, blah blah blah, you will see that Texas and OU will be competitive in the SEC pretty quickly once they join..
are you really blaming A&M joining the SEC as to why Texas has struggled?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:55 pm to Ttazhorn
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You act as if Texas and OU haven't been there before.
They haven't. Sooners have not been in the SEC and austin has not been there since WWI. While I agree that the B12 in 2009 may have been #2 behind the SEC but is ancient history. I grew up in the SWC and it was the state of TX and the state of AR so hard to really know with such a small pool. Hogs were probably #2 in the old SWC and they did not come in and dominate the SEC. Since modern realignment I would argue the ACC is #2 now, not the B12 anymore.
Yes, TAMU let the SEC in TX but the SWC allowed TX a monopoly. With Alabama, LSU, and the other SEC schools that monopoly is gone and you would be foolish to think it is comping back. The bigger issue is austin is used to being able to push the SWC and B12 children around, that is gone as well. I would be grateful if you guys can just split with the Mississippi schools over the next decade.
Have you even heard of tGrind?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 4:55 pm to Ttazhorn
quote:So the Aggie's joining the SEC sent Texas in the shitter?
As soon as A&M tore down that wall, the SEC came in and got all the good Oline, Dline, Linebackers, etc...That has been the problem the last 12 years at least for Texas. That and coaching...Hermann was actually a decent coach, but without an Oline or Dline and good depth, any coach will suck arse.
The SEC was just as dominant before aTm joined as they are now and reality is that aTm has accomplished very little in this conference since they've been here.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:09 pm to RT1941
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The SEC was just as dominant before aTm joined as they are now and reality is that aTm has accomplished very little in this conference since they've been here.
I didn't say A&M has accomplished shite in the SEC other than letting SEC bag men invade Texas recruiting. Before they left, Texas and OU had a pretty good lock on recruiting in the state. They fricking blew the door to the barn open when they left and even pip squeak schools like Ole Miss took advantage, and later got in trouble for their bullshite shenanigans in recruiting in Texas...
Also, as a result of Big 12 version 1.0 exploding, pip squeak, start up flash in the pans like Oregon and Stanford and other big players like Ohio State came in and cherry picked recruits. It wasn't just A&M, it was the other schools leaving the Big 12 too making it a shitty conference, but A&M moving to the SEC was a big part of what blew the whole thing up for Texas and OU...If the Big 12 version 1.0 had stayed intact, none of that shite would have happened in the way it did..
All im saying is now Texas and OU can claim a bigger stake in Texas recruiting again, and also stake more claims in the South all because of that SEC patch on their Jerseys. Thanks for that...
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:19 pm to Ttazhorn
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It wasn't just A&M, it was the other schools leaving the Big 12 too making it a shitty conference, but A&M moving to the SEC was a big part of what blew the whole thing up for Texas and OU...
Sorry y’all couldn’t keep the conference together without us and Mizzou.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:24 pm to Boomer00
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OU/Texas climbing to the top of SEC recruiting
Both are ranked above all SEC teams but UGA currently, and both will finish top 5. Things are about to get crazy competitive in the SEC.
Alabama still with the highest per player average in the nation and will nearly certainly finish in the top 3
Meanwhile 10 teams have a higher per player average than OU. No way will OU finish in the top 5.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:25 pm to lsufball19
quote:You weren't aware of that? The sad thing is that neither OU or Texas have much of an OL or DL, mostly skill players. Lack of development, especially at Texas. And Texas was already introduced to Arkansas last year. That didn't go so well
are you really blaming A&M joining the SEC as to why Texas has struggled?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:35 pm to Ttazhorn
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You act as if Texas and OU haven't been there before. The Big 12 Version 1.0 was a pretty damn competitive conference...It's not as if they did not want to build complete classes, it just sucked when one of their bastard little brethren went to the SEC and tore down the wall they had built around Texas, and let the SEC in..
They used to get all the Oline and Dline and Linebackers, etc they needed from the state of Texas to be buzz saw type programs. As soon as A&M tore down that wall, the SEC came in and got all the good Oline, Dline, Linebackers, etc...That has been the problem the last 12 years at least for Texas. That and coaching...Hermann was actually a decent coach, but without an Oline or Dline and good depth, any coach will suck arse.
All this talk about how much greater the SEC is, blah blah blah, you will see that Texas and OU will be competitive in the SEC pretty quickly once they join..All the negative recruiting that went on against them in the Big 12 will be gone, and all the booster/ bag money shenanigans will be gone too with NIL. You guys (the SEC) just helped a couple of sleeping tigers wake up. Thanks...
This is the most pathetic thing I've ever read. You can't compete in the Big 12 because all "your" players went to... not the Big12? You still pull in Top 5 recruiting classes damn near every year and still can't beat Kansas. That has nothing to do with little brother knocking down any walls.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:42 pm to ColoradoAg
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You weren't aware of that? The sad thing is that neither OU or Texas have much of an OL or DL, mostly skill players. Lack of development, especially at Texas. And Texas was already introduced to Arkansas last year. That didn't go so well
Exactly, Texas has had maybe 5 Oline in the last 12 years that could start or get significant playing time at other schools. No lie. And the Dline hasn't fared much better. They had a couple of decent Dlinemen they wasted with stupid schemes.
Anyway, things are looking up now with the last 2 to 3 recruiting classes. They are loading up on stud Oline for sure. And, picked up some good Dline also. If they sign all the Oline recruits they have in this class, they are going to be dominate on the Oline with the recruits they have gotten in the last 2 years...
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:52 pm to HogPharmer
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This is the most pathetic thing I've ever read. You can't compete in the Big 12 because all "your" players went to... not the Big12? You still pull in Top 5 recruiting classes damn near every year and still can't beat Kansas. That has nothing to do with little brother knocking down any walls.
Whatever piggy. As I mentioned above, Texas has had maybe 5 Oline that could compete for playing time at other schools in the last 12 years. Yes, 5 total...It wasn't all because of recruiting, some of it was career ending injuries, transfers, booted from the team,etc...They have been totally snake bit though on the Oline.
Before that, in Big 12 Version 1.0, when Texas was at their peak, they had 5 starting Oline on one team that got drafted...They've had 2 Dlinemen I can remember get drafted in the last 12 years...Malcom Brown and Poonah Ford.
Try competing at a high level when your recruiting falls off that much on the Lines because you are in a shitty conference.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:52 pm to Ttazhorn
In an effort to get an SEC roster, do you think OU is throwing around as much cash as 5-7 tu is?
That commit they got from that highly rated OLmen who has never even stepped foot in Austin cracked me up.
That commit they got from that highly rated OLmen who has never even stepped foot in Austin cracked me up.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:57 pm to ColoradoAg
Yeah their biggest problem was building their teams to play wide open offense to win shootout games in the Big 12 with little to no emphasis on defense. Oklahoma always found out the hard way in the postseason. Texas never got that far. And I never bought into the notion of TX high school players being soft or whatever. LSU has had enough elite defensive talent from that state over the years for me to think otherwise. Those kids just haven’t wanted to play for Texas. It’s kind of a shame given it hasn’t been that long since those schools had a completely opposite approach to football. You’d think Venables will try to change that. Texas, not so sure they will or even can with Sark
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:58 pm to Ttazhorn
quote:Banks is good. The rest will have to be developed, which is a new concept in Austin. It looks like Texas is just looking for bodies to plug in on both lines. That is not remotely SEC level talent, especially on the DL
Anyway, things are looking up now with the last 2 to 3 recruiting classes.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:10 pm to lsufball19
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Yeah their biggest problem was building their teams to play wide open offense to win shootout games in the Big 12 with little to no emphasis on defense. Oklahoma always found out the hard way in the postseason. Texas never got that far. And I never bought into the notion of TX high school players being soft or whatever. LSU has had enough elite defensive talent from that state over the years for me to think otherwise. Those kids just haven’t wanted to play for Texas. It’s kind of a shame given it hasn’t been that long since those schools had a completely opposite approach to football. You’d think Venables will try to change that. Texas, not so sure they will or even can with Sark
Agreed, I think it is even worse than that. I think Texas high schools (a lot of them) stopped putting emphasis on Defense too. I mean doing stuff like sticking all the best athletes on offense. I think it used to be fairly even, but since spread offenses took over, it seems like they want all the best players they can get on offense and leave just a few for defense..
At any rate, Sark seems to be really good at offense, I just hope he makes a damn good hire to run the defense. I don't think PK is doing a good job with the Defense..
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:13 pm to Ttazhorn
I couldn't believe you took your highest rated DL and converted him to a TE
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