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re: Ole Miss plane crashes in Tuscaloosa. (Updated)
Posted on 8/14/16 at 8:30 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 8/14/16 at 8:30 pm to Tuscaloosa
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GA fatality rates are lower than they're been since World War II. Averaging something like 1 death per 100,000 hours of flight time. I can understand your point of view for sure, but I'd much rather be in a single engine Cessna with a certified private pilot than I would in a car with a teenager.
True due to technology, but my point is you never know when an overconfident pilot will put himself into bad situation. Then not have enough training to get out of it. I have done aircraft accident investigations for a living, I see what is happening in GA.
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Posted on 8/14/16 at 8:32 pm to Irons Puppet
Fair enough.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 11:49 pm to Tuscaloosa
Aviation isn't inherently dangerous. It's just not very forgiving.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:14 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Aviation isn't inherently dangerous. It's just not very forgiving
Very true, most accidents (crashes) are caused by pilots getting in over their head. There are times when they should be on the ground and instead push a bad situation. Mechanical failures account for most of the balance of accidents
There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old and bold pilots.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:02 pm to Barneyrb
This aircraft lost 12,000 Ft in 13 min, which would probably mean both engines were dead. The evidence is pointing to the flight running out of fuel. Sad and preventable.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:05 pm to Irons Puppet
Sure it's sad. Most accidents are. Get off of your soapbox. Pray for the 11 children going to bed without parents. God forbid you ever have to have a preventable accident happen to people close to you or that you love.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:11 pm to hehatedrew
If you know, are there aunts and uncles to care for these precious young ones? Too sad.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:12 pm to nc14
There are.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:19 pm to hehatedrew
Not a soapbox, just wanted to let people think about allowing friends fly their relatives. I have seen it too often.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:22 pm to TheNorthPlace
Yeah, it's awful. My parents knew all 6 of them. Not dear friends, but friendly acquaintances. Left 11 kids, the oldest of which is a Freshman at Ole Miss. Just horrible.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:26 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Not a pilot and certainly not familiar with the flight deck instruments but I thought I saw where the pilot reported a fuel pump failure prior to crash. Certainly preventable but not something the pilot could predict.
This aircraft lost 12,000 Ft in 13 min, which would probably mean both engines were dead. The evidence is pointing to the flight running out of fuel. Sad and preventable.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:45 pm to Diamondawg
Terrible news, prayers sent to all involved
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:52 pm to nc14
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If you know, are there aunts and uncles to care for these precious young ones? Too sad.
The amount of outcrying support here in Oxford has been tremendous. As a teacher of one of these students, it has been unbelievably difficult. We were unsure what to expect coming into today. The community will help in this time. These were good families with strong support structures. Tragic. However, I truly believe the fact they all have other siblings and family members makes this much easier than if any was an only child. I could not imagine.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 9:57 pm to BoarEd
It is a sad story that reeks of pilot error. Unless everyone was already dead on board from a pressurization event this was a preventable accident caused by pilot error.
At 11:30 am with visibility and no weather issues this shouldn't have happened even if both engines failed. An experienced pilot would have brought it down safely without a loss of life despite engine failure.
At 11:30 am with visibility and no weather issues this shouldn't have happened even if both engines failed. An experienced pilot would have brought it down safely without a loss of life despite engine failure.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:03 pm to 12thFairway
Depends where the event happened. At 12000 feet they could have glided about 12 miles with both failed engines. ATC reminded the pilot that I-59 was an option. No other Airports in that radius.
This post was edited on 8/15/16 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:03 pm to 12thFairway
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Unless everyone was already dead on board from a pressurization event
The pilot was in contact with BHM air traffic control up to within minutes or seconds of the crash.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:04 pm to TheNorthPlace
Why are there so many downvotes at the beginning of this thread?
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:07 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:That's a bunch of feet.
At 120000 feet
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:08 pm to East Coast Band
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The pilot was in contact with BHM air traffic control up to within minutes or seconds of the crash.
Thanks for that information. That seals it - pilot error. One of the first things you learn in pilot training is what to do if you lose power. It's not difficult to get down safely if you have altitude. It looks like this pilot panicked.
eta -Harrison Ford recently crashed a vintage plane in California on a golf course. Engine failure at very low altitude (200 ft). He was smart enough to crash land in a wide open area and survived. I wish that Ole Miss pilot had just tried to land on I-59. All aboard had a very good chance of surviving if he had done that instead of trying to make it to the airport.
This post was edited on 8/15/16 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:17 pm to Diamondawg
too much thumb on my iPhone. 12K.
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