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re: #notncaaproperty...what a bunch of pansies
Posted on 3/26/21 at 11:50 am to au4you
Posted on 3/26/21 at 11:50 am to au4you
The same way my buddy who played at TCU and then in NFL advises them through his outreach program/business.
Stop viewing athletics as a way out of your current situation. It's a lottery ticket at best. Make ATHLETICS your back up plan, and education your primary plan. Not the other way around.
Educate yourself on the situation. Know what you're signing up for. They're using you, make sure you use them too.
Know your options and your rights.
Look out for yourself and your best interests. The team you play for will not, no matter what they say.
Feel free to lobby your local, state, and federal government to change eligibility rules (college and pro) to favor the athlete.
There's much more, but I'm not spending all day debating. First and foremost, find resources early on (9th or 10th grade). There are plenty, and most (like my friend's business) will provide for free for those who need it.
Stop viewing athletics as a way out of your current situation. It's a lottery ticket at best. Make ATHLETICS your back up plan, and education your primary plan. Not the other way around.
Educate yourself on the situation. Know what you're signing up for. They're using you, make sure you use them too.
Know your options and your rights.
Look out for yourself and your best interests. The team you play for will not, no matter what they say.
Feel free to lobby your local, state, and federal government to change eligibility rules (college and pro) to favor the athlete.
There's much more, but I'm not spending all day debating. First and foremost, find resources early on (9th or 10th grade). There are plenty, and most (like my friend's business) will provide for free for those who need it.
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 11:52 am to au4you
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This whole thread started with a fan bitching about a hashtag.
I have no problem with those guys using those platforms to voice their opinions but once they put on a schools uniform they represent far more than themselves.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 12:23 pm to LSUCOCK
This is one of those cases where a few statements that seem contradictory on the surface can all be true at once:
1. NCAA football and basketball, especially at the major conference level, exist to make money, period. They have no serious educational purpose.
2. Yes, there are some high profile athletes that could make a lot of money if they were allowed to take endorsements, and those people are harmed by the facade of amateurism.
3. The vast majority of NCAA athletes across all sports probably recieve far more value in terms of tuition, meals, housing, etc. than they as individuals generate for their schools. It's sensible for anyone who had to pay for college on their own to be irritated by people on full scholarship describing themselves as "exploited."
4. If we allowed student athletes to profit from their likenesses, we'd be opening the door to so many shady deals that the top performers would no longer be true amateurs.
5. There's probably no way to build a system of payment that wouldn't eventually clash with Title IX and other federal laws.
1. NCAA football and basketball, especially at the major conference level, exist to make money, period. They have no serious educational purpose.
2. Yes, there are some high profile athletes that could make a lot of money if they were allowed to take endorsements, and those people are harmed by the facade of amateurism.
3. The vast majority of NCAA athletes across all sports probably recieve far more value in terms of tuition, meals, housing, etc. than they as individuals generate for their schools. It's sensible for anyone who had to pay for college on their own to be irritated by people on full scholarship describing themselves as "exploited."
4. If we allowed student athletes to profit from their likenesses, we'd be opening the door to so many shady deals that the top performers would no longer be true amateurs.
5. There's probably no way to build a system of payment that wouldn't eventually clash with Title IX and other federal laws.
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 3/26/21 at 12:57 pm to kywildcatfanone
I just wonder.. when the NIL thing comes through, and it will, how will the average student-athlete afford to pay for all of the things normally covered by the scholarship?? And pay taxes?
Posted on 3/26/21 at 1:02 pm to au4you
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The NCAA is a joke and a complete racket making money off the bull shite concept of “amateurism.”
And what do they do with that money?
Posted on 3/26/21 at 1:35 pm to LSUCOCK
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Big Ten produces some of the weakest athletes. Rutgers and Clemson discussed protesting their tournament game. I wish they had and the NCAA threw them to the curb like VCU
You think they are vastly different from the SEC? It is only a matter of time. I just hope the consumers let it crater before the NCAA gives in.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 1:37 pm to bigDgator
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You think they are vastly different from the SEC
We make sure our guys are well compensated.
Big ten robber Barons just like to solely extract profit
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/26/21 at 1:38 pm to Adam Banks
Jim Tressel disagrees.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 1:47 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Tuition, books, housing, meals, tutoring, are all nice perks. In today’s college it’s orobably valued at 100 grand at least every college year. Kids are cry babies nowadays. If you do pay them then they shouldn’t get free tuition and all the other free perks. See how they like them apples.
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/26/21 at 1:51 pm to McMillan
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The slaves are clothed and well fed, so what do they have to complain about ?
America 19th century
What a fricking idiotic post. Slaves performed forced labor and their only option was to try and run away. There is absolutely nothing forcing any of these guys to play college basketball. They are free to quit the team at anytime.
Anyone who compares college athletes to slaves has an IQ below room temperature.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 2:36 pm to RD Dawg
The NCAA makes billions because people care about college sports. Go ahead, get rid of college sports. Start a minor league instead
1. Average minor league salaries for a triple AAA baseball player is $15,000/yr. I think a D-League or G-League dude is like $20,000. This is real life now. Time to pay your rent and bills, etc
2. Scholarships plus cost of attendance is probably worth more than 1. above. Not even taking into account every other living expense is free
3. Athletes think that the billions is all about them. It isnt. People are invested in LSU. They care if LSU wins or loses. People dont and wont give a frick about a division champion in the fricking G- league. Ther will never be a billion dollar contract for minor league sports because no is invested in it
4. These kids get basically free marketing on highly watched tv programs that they will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER. I repeat NEVER get in a fricking minor league
There is a lot more to this, but people need to look at the alternative if there was no college sports. In my opinion 99% of the athletes would be worse off
That being said, I think the NCAA can work things out and cut back on some of the bullshite rules. But I dont think people understand what the alternative is for no college sports
There would be no billion dollar contracts because no one is going to fricking care
1. Average minor league salaries for a triple AAA baseball player is $15,000/yr. I think a D-League or G-League dude is like $20,000. This is real life now. Time to pay your rent and bills, etc
2. Scholarships plus cost of attendance is probably worth more than 1. above. Not even taking into account every other living expense is free
3. Athletes think that the billions is all about them. It isnt. People are invested in LSU. They care if LSU wins or loses. People dont and wont give a frick about a division champion in the fricking G- league. Ther will never be a billion dollar contract for minor league sports because no is invested in it
4. These kids get basically free marketing on highly watched tv programs that they will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER. I repeat NEVER get in a fricking minor league
There is a lot more to this, but people need to look at the alternative if there was no college sports. In my opinion 99% of the athletes would be worse off
That being said, I think the NCAA can work things out and cut back on some of the bullshite rules. But I dont think people understand what the alternative is for no college sports
There would be no billion dollar contracts because no one is going to fricking care
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 3/26/21 at 2:40 pm to LSUCOCK
NCAA is so fricked.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 2:41 pm to Ag Zwin
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And what do they do with that money?
Pay salaries to cushy administrative jobs - 50% of which probably serve no real purpose.
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 3/26/21 at 2:49 pm to Chuck Barris
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If we allowed student athletes to profit from their likenesses, we'd be opening the door to so many shady deals that the top performers would no longer be true amateurs.
This already happens, and the NCAA actively covers it up to protect the lie of amateurism.
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The vast majority of NCAA athletes across all sports probably recieve far more value in terms of tuition, meals, housing, etc. than they as individuals generate for their schools
This isn’t the point. Sports other than football and basketball are irrelevant to this discussion.
NCAAF is a free, no-accountability, no risk developmental league for the NFL. It’s 100% a sham. Is it difficult to fix with current TIX laws? Sure, but the current system isn’t sustainable, and is pure bullshite.
I don’t even want to get into the potential corruption angle due to how closely these programs are tied to public universities.
The NFL is a for profit company. Public universities shouldn’t be secretly running a development league for them.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 2:56 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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Pay salaries to cushy administrative jobs - 50% of which probably serve no real purpose.
I won’t defend those, but that’s a pretty small part of the pie. Top 2 roles are probably about 5 mill between them, against revenue of over 1 billion. Vast majority of it funds schollies for non-rev sports.
Baby and bath water. Hyperbolic statements that make it sound like there is some cabal raking in all the money off slave labor are just idiotic.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 2:56 pm to mistaken4193
quote:NOTHING stops ANYBODY from abusing the process, AND they will if money is allowed into amateur sports. The people who are for allowing players to be paid in ANY way other than by scholarship, are naive and short sighted. They obviously can't comprehend all the nightmarish scenarios it would create.
The tricky part is what stops a Coach from telling a booster to give a Local Car Dealership $500,000 to give to a kid for shooting 1 commercial for said dealership if he commits to your school?
Posted on 3/26/21 at 3:06 pm to Ag Zwin
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Vast majority of it funds schollies for non-rev sports.
“Funds schollies” is naive. The relatively small amount of athletes on full scholarship cost the institutions a trivial amount of money. The university’s listed price for scholarships these days is largely bullshite.
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I won’t defend those, but that’s a pretty small part of the pie
Not if you look at the university level they aren’t. The NCAA is comprised of all of the participating universities. Costly, pointless administrative positions in university systems is a well documented and publicized problem.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 3:07 pm to coachcrisp
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NOTHING stops ANYBODY from abusing the process, AND they will if money is allowed into amateur sports
But they are totally obeying the spirit of the current process?
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naive
Describes you perfectly.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 3:21 pm to TeddyWestside
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No it's not. Its a drop in the bucket. Even if the value of all of that is $100,000, which is arguable, but I don't know what the value is, then it's still way below their market value given the money the top programs make and what the NCAA Tournament makes.
It’s not way below their market value or they would start their own league.
Posted on 3/26/21 at 3:28 pm to the808bass
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It’s not way below their market value or they would start their own league.
Hard to do when your competition is given protection against antitrust laws, and your competition needs the college system in place to protect its profit.
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