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re: Non Arkansas and Mizzou fans, Is this a rivalry?

Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:59 am to
Posted by BurgTiger
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:59 am to
In short, here’s Arkansas’s answer:

“Mizzou is not our rival, we don’t care about them, never have, never will, we don’t even think about them, they’ve gotten lucky that they’ve owned us since moving to the SEC, and we love beating them, celebrate in their face any time we get a kid from Missouri and we hate them enough we wish they’d go away.”

But totally not a rival at all ??
Posted by McMillan
Member since Jul 2018
6940 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:01 am to
Ah, I understand. Apologies.
Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
13543 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:07 am to
quote:

RamboMizzou


Since Mizzou and Arkansas fans are already posting, then I'll jump in, too.

I still don't see us as rivals in football. Maybe someday that will change. I'll always view us as rivals in basketball. I looked forward, every season, to that annual Arkansas/ Mizzou game. We definitely have no rivalry in baseball. Hell, you guys don't even care about your baseball program.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
25789 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:07 am to
So you are trying to determine if this is a rivalry based on replies from a message board?
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9890 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:07 am to
quote:


For not giving a shite a lot of people tuned into the 2007 MU-KU game. In fact, it was the most watched regular season game that year and at the time the 7th ranked ALL-TIME regular season game in terms of viewership.



The Mizzou-Oklahoma game that season was also the 10th watched game all-time. So Mizzou featured in two of the 10 most watched games ever in a single season.

It's almost like success paves the way to fan support and viewership. We have just sucked for eight straight seasons and our current viewership/attendance reflects that.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
25789 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:15 am to
Arkansas and LSU were pretty similar in history before Saban arrived. Both never saw each other as rivals historically unlike Ole Miss.

The Arkansas and Texas series during the modern era of college football is where the series is when it was impacted on a national stage. It is no doubt a fierce rivalry in the 60s to the 80s as more often than not, the winner won the SWC and played in the Cotton Bowl for a title.
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
2829 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:23 am to
quote:

The Texas-Arkansas series is 56-23 in favor of Texas. They also dominate you. It's again, a one-sided rivalry.


And the Texas-TAMU series is 76-37 in favor of Texas. That doesn't mitigate the hatred between those two teams. So that point is irrelevant.

Also, Arkansas has a winning record over Texas going back the last 30+ years...

Arkansas and Texas have played in MEANINGFUL games throughout their history. That is what has bred the rivalry (in the minds of Arkansas fans anyways). However, I truly don't believe most Texas fans give a shite about Arkansas. Just like Arkansas fans don't give a shite about Mizzou.

We have played 79 games against Texas. We have played 13 against Mizzou. We don't give a shite about your safe space, misplaced school .
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9890 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:40 am to
quote:

Arkansas and Texas have played in MEANINGFUL games throughout their history. That is what has bred the rivalry (in the minds of Arkansas fans anyways). However, I truly don't believe most Texas fans give a shite about Arkansas. Just like Arkansas fans don't give a shite about Mizzou.

We have played 79 games against Texas. We have played 13 against Mizzou. We don't give a shite about your safe space, misplaced school .


Nobody is comparing the Arkansas-Texas rivalry to the 13 games that Mizzou and Arkansas have played. If you were capable of reading, I said it's a bullshite comparison to argue that Mizzou is to Arkansas what Arkansas is to Texas. It's almost comical how much ego some of you Hog posters have. Do you really see yourselves as a Texas to us? It's more like Arkansas is to Texas what Mizzou is to Oklahoma: a historic rivalry with some massive historic games, but ultimately lopsided in favor of one blue blood over one non-blue-blood.

Mizzou doesn't have some special affinity for Arkansas either, nor do we imagine the game to have any historic significance. Arkansas has beaten Mizzou just four times ever, so how could the game be that significant?

Our rivals, in order, are: Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State. We've played most of those schools over 100 times; Oklahoma State (63 times) and Colorado (75 times) slightly fewer times.

I think the point being emphasized in this thread is that Mizzou fans realize that Arkansas could become a fun rivalry as evidenced by how things are going just 13 games in, and are open to it budding.

Most Arkansas fans, on the other hand, irrationally see themselves as superior and are weirdly bitter about it happening, and insist on throwing their historic rivalry with Texas in the mix.
Posted by RamboMizzou
Springfield
Member since Jan 2014
10326 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:46 am to
quote:

HogPharmer


May want to not talk down to a team that owns a 9-4 advantage and a 5-1 record in the last 6 you played.

Seems weird.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
25789 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:48 am to
Since 1960 the series is Texas 24-14.
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
2829 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Mizzou doesn't have some special affinity for Arkansas either


Yet you fanboys are on here starting threads about us...

quote:

Our rivals, in order, are: Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State


Sounds like you belong back in the Big12. I doubt you'll get many objections to making that move.

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insist on throwing their historic rivalry with Texas in the mix.


So me saying that Texas doesn't view us as a rivalry means I'm "throwing our historic rivalry with Texas in the mix"???

Sound logic on that one.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
25789 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:57 am to
That depends on what era these teams played. The younger fans on each side don't care but when these two teams were nationally relevant, the older fans cared because it had title hopes and both couldn't afford to look at each other as not that big of a deal.
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
2829 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:58 am to
Primarily during the worst decade of Razorback football of all time. Congratulations. Even I will make fun of our football program for the last decade of impotence.
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9890 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:01 am to
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Sounds like you belong back in the Big12. I doubt you'll get many objections to making that move.


No, we belong in the Big Eight. I don't want the Big 12 with the Texas schools because Texas went ahead and ruined our conference, as they do. I would think Arkansas fans of all folks would understand that, since your school joined the SEC almost entirely to get away from Texas.

If there was a universe where Mizzou could be in the Big Eight and it would be financially viable and competitive, I'd take that. But it ain't happening so we have to look forward. And that includes forging a rivalry with Arkansas and playing SEC ball. You might want to get used to it as well instead of being an enormous asshat.
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
2829 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:12 am to
quote:

You might want to get used to it as well instead of being an enormous asshat.


Can I not get used to it WHILE being an enormous asshat?
Posted by CauleyHog
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Nov 2012
4670 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:21 am to
quote:

If you have to ask, it's not a rivalry


True
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
26185 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:48 am to
Well you know my answer but I will give it anyway.

I like Missouri. I think y'all got the royal shaft on several occasions in the Big 8/12 and I think you are a solid fit for the SEC. I'll happily cheer on Mizzou if you aren't playing Arkansas.

If anything I think y'all are under achieving and need a new AD to re-engergize sports on campus. A good AD who hires good coaches and gives them what they need to succeed could make Missouri dangerous across the board. Say what you will about A&M but the real sleeping giant in the SEC is Missouri if they get their shite together and keep their talent in state.

As to the rivalry between the schools... we are still getting started. If I say Arkansas has more hard feelings towards SMU or that Missouri dislikes Colorado more that is just well trodden history. There are decades of ill will imparted down to the youngest fans.

Could it grow to be a major rivalry? Probably not. Is it fine for what it is? Sure. Not every game is the Iron Bowl, Army-Navy, or the War for the Florida Douchecanoe trophy between Florida and Miami.
Posted by CauleyHog
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Nov 2012
4670 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:54 am to
Great summary pretty much spot on. For a few may mean a lot for whatever reason. Hopefully you can grow into something more than it is. But it just won’t ever be the same as others. Which is completely understandable for both fan bases. But the idea of playing MIZZOU every year over other rivalries with more history sucks.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted by blueprint_one
Columbia, MO
Member since Oct 2015
1307 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:59 pm to
I like the blooming rivalry.

Arkansas got Mizzou's former head coach as their DC. The same head coach that kept beating Arkansas. Now he's helping beat Mizzou. Arkansas has Mizzou players and former players on their staff. The games have been good.

Posted by Gunga Din
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2020
2491 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:11 pm to
Arkansas is in a weird position. Arkansas is an SEC state but Fayetteville is located in the one part of the state that fit perfectly with the old Big 8. Yet they ended up being misfits in the SWC all those years.

Arkansas-Missouri/ Arkansas-OU would have been big time rivalries in the Big 8/12. Arkansas did have a pretty good traditional early season game with Oklahoma State for a couple of decades. And they had a game with Tulsa as well that was kind of like the Ole Miss-Memphis game.

So I don't think Mizzou is a huge rivalry but given time it will develop/
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