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re: NIL Bill released
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:56 am to Quicksilver
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:56 am to Quicksilver
quote:I'm not in favor of limiting NIL. But these NIL collectives are funded by the likes of Dr. Pepper, they are funded by boosters and big $$ school affiliated donors.
As a capitalist I'm also against limiting NIL. If Dr. Pepper wants to pay Quinshon Judkins $5m a year, go for it.
I am in favor of more transparency with NIL contracts though. And some form of NIL contract regulation has to be administered and overseen by more folks that the NIL collectives.
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:58 am to RT1941
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And the athlete would have to agree to academic progress stipulations added to the scholarship. Which places more importance on working in the classroom.
I have a more extreme idea on this topic. Realistically, the NFL should have farm leagues. If someone's goal is to be a professional football player, making them pass college algebra and comp 2 on the way is pointless.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:58 am to Leto II
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I'm assuming he meant the head coach only.
Head coach?
Coordinator?
Position coach?
Lead recruiter?
Strength coach?
Nutritionist?
There are 1000s of reasons why an athlete chooses a school.
You leave the "coach" exception on the table, then you are going to get loophole arguments every year. Who wouldn't see this coming? Hell... there are lawyers who have made a living with these arguments the past decade.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:59 am to meansonny
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The best argument for federal legislation is to control and offset state legislation. State lawmakers are attempting to make it illegal for the NCAA to enforce rules against the schools in the state. Honestly. Of course federal legislation could serve a purpose and put countrywide standards that state legislatures and lawyers would be required to adhere to despite what state statutes command.
And that is how the Civil War was started. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:00 pm to Quicksilver
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I have a more extreme idea on this topic. Realistically, the NFL should have farm leagues. If someone's goal is to be a professional football player, making them pass college algebra and comp 2 on the way is pointless.
I agree.
But the NFL nor CFL will win over recruits. It would never get off the ground.
Besides... the NFL does not want to be a babysitter for young men. They spend too many resources trying to protect the shield to invite that upon themselves.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:01 pm to bamameister
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And that is how the Civil War was started. The more things change the more they stay the same.
The civil war started because Texas and Tennessee have passed legislation making it illegal for the NCAA to enforce punishments on state universities?
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:01 pm to RT1941
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But these NIL collectives are funded by the likes of Dr. Pepper, they are funded by boosters and big $$ school affiliated donors.
They choose to go through the collective. They could also go outside of them and work a deal directly with a player.
Visibility to NIL contracts should be as private as they are for any other individual. They're private contracts between a business and an individual.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:01 pm to meansonny
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There are 1000s of reasons why an athlete chooses a school.
Oh I get that. But you have a to draw a line somewhere.
The fact is that if the head coach leaves, most of those coaches/staffers would leave anyway.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:21 pm to Leto II
Agreed.
But a student athlete sitting after a transfer is an acceptable compromise to permit the transfer as an undergrad.
Football programs (and athletes/handlers) always look for loopholes.
The best way to avoid free agency is no loopholes.
Firm and fairly placed across the landscape of college football
But a student athlete sitting after a transfer is an acceptable compromise to permit the transfer as an undergrad.
Football programs (and athletes/handlers) always look for loopholes.
The best way to avoid free agency is no loopholes.
Firm and fairly placed across the landscape of college football
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:21 pm to Shoeshine
You sure are angry about reigning in the cheating
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:30 pm to Quicksilver
quote:Well yeah, but what's incentivizing the NFL to do anything any differently than they are now? The NFL isn't about to spend the money on resources, facilities, salaries and top coaches to operate a farm league as long as colleges do it for them free of charge and with zero liability.
I have a more extreme idea on this topic. Realistically, the NFL should have farm leagues. If someone's goal is to be a professional football player, making them pass college algebra and comp 2 on the way is pointless.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:59 pm to meansonny
quote:This bill attempts to put the student back in student athlete by making them ineligible for transfer until they've completed the 1st 3 yrs of academics.
Florida has about 70 staffers.
When 1 leaves, every player on the roster would argue a right to transfer.
How many schools retain all on field assistants every year? None?
Every player would argue a right to transfer every year.
The only exception to a mandated redshirt year should be graduation.
A player can transfer anytime he/she wants. But there is a forced redshirt unless there is a diploma in hand. Put the student back in student athlete.
No exceptions. Coach leaves? You can too. But you chose poorly out of high school and have to sit a year on the sidelines. Don't like it? Get your diploma. Free agent all you want. You earned it.
In reality the NCAA doesn't need this bill to place restrictions on transfers. The NCAA can (and maybe should) change the transfer rules. They can put a stop to tampering and they can mandate a kid has to show academic progress before he is eligible for transfer.
Schools make a ton of money, but they also spend a ton of money on facilities, support staff, academic staff, etc. They invest in each student-athlete and right now the athlete can bolt whenever they choose for whatever reason.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 1:08 pm to RT1941
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In reality the NCAA doesn't need this bill to place restrictions on transfers.
I agree.
But whenever people cry "someone should do something", then you get politicians looking for a headline.
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They can put a stop to tampering
I disagree.
If the athlete, athletes family, or coaching staff want to communicate, they will easily be able to find legal ways to make that happen (it's as if high school coaches aren't the middle man on this stuff anyway and nobody knows it).
There is no way to stop tampering.
There is no way to stop NIL.
There is no way to effectively shut down collectives (because they will restructure).
The only bullet in the chamber is transfer restrictions.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 1:19 pm to RT1941
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addition to forcing athletes to complete the 1st 3 yrs of academic eligibility before transferring w/out penalty may kill this thing instantly. I think there will be major division. It would do away with the wide open transfer portal and place more importance on the student-athlete aspect.
I like this
Posted on 7/26/23 at 2:51 pm to meansonny
quote:I'm talking about pre-portal tampering with NIL inducements.
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In reality the NCAA doesn't need this bill to place restrictions on transfers.
I agree.
But whenever people cry "someone should do something", then you get politicians looking for a headline.
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They can put a stop to tampering
I disagree.
If the athlete, athletes family, or coaching staff want to communicate, they will easily be able to find legal ways to make that happen (it's as if high school coaches aren't the middle man on this stuff anyway and nobody knows it).
There is no way to stop tampering.
There is no way to stop NIL.
There is no way to effectively shut down collectives (because they will restructure).
The only bullet in the chamber is transfer restrictions.
IF the NCAA restricts the transfer policy, what's the point in tampering with another team's star talent behind the scenes when he can't transfer anyway?
Right now, schools are having to re-recruit their own players to get them to stay. And active players are shopping their services to the highest bidder then bolting for the bigger brand teams. i.e. Caleb Williams to USC
Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:03 pm to RT1941
The bill is shite. The healthcare provisions are a nice step forward. But the rest is pure greed. No profit sharing for players, the people who actually earn the money. And players can’t transfer without siting out a year before year three of eligibility. frickers love capitalism and free markets until they negatively affect them.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:05 pm to Shoeshine
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I'm sure Nick the Democrat POS has told Manchin everything he wants in the bill.
Tommy Tuberville co-authored the bill, dumbass. And yes, it reads like a SEC coach wrote it.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:10 pm to RT1941
That dawg, as they say, won't hunt. Getting it passed is a long shot and it standing the scrutiny of the courts will be might near impossible...
Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:19 pm to DamnStrong1860
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The bill is shite. The healthcare provisions are a nice step forward. But the rest is pure greed. No profit sharing for players, the people who actually earn the money. And players can’t transfer without siting out a year before year three of eligibility. frickers love capitalism and free markets until they negatively affect them.
Capitalism is a fantastic idea for those on the right side of the equation...for those who ain't its about the same as all other economic ideas....and no one loves a free market, they love for their personal market to be free and their personal economy to be heavily regulated, but eerybody else???? Fuhget about it...
Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:25 pm to RT1941
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This bill attempts to put the student back in student athlete by making them ineligible for transfer until they've completed the 1st 3 yrs of academics.
The issue is that there is no such thing as a student musician or a student actor or a student writer....there are students who on scholarship for these things but they have no restrictions on what they can earn, how they earn it or where they can earn it. The only reason student athletes are different is because of the money involved....and the money is mainly from 2 sports so they can offer other sports and comply with title IX. The courts are going to be hard pressed to push the student athlete kitty back in the bottle and not restrict students on academic scholarships in the same manner.
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