Started By
Message

re: NIL Bill released

Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:00 am to
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21500 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:00 am to
Good luck getting a reasonable discussion out of that one.
People like him are the reason we can't have a decent forum to talk sports.
Posted by Shoeshine
Member since Jul 2023
207 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:03 am to
quote:

So, what are your opinions of the actual bill? Are you in favor of athlete transfer regulations and placing more importance on academics or not?
We don't need Congressional interference anymore than we have now.

Let the Feds get involved. In 10 years you will have quotas.
You must have: Appropiate number of minorities, women, transgenders, and gays on each team.

The NCAA needs to step up their game and make a few transfer rules. That or an agreement among the schools themselves.

Name one thing the Feds get involved in that they don't frick up.

I hope it fails.

This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 11:05 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66978 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:11 am to
honestly I dont hate any of these rules, but i don’t know how i feel about US Co fred’s making them.

idk if the limitations in NIL will hold up in the SCOTUS but I havent thought to hard about it either.

the NCAA should change their transfer rule but it’s crazy they’re spending time making a law about it.
Posted by profwilson
Member since Jul 2004
869 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:20 am to
quote:

Yay more government


The NCAA tried to regulate all of this without government involvement, and did so (with mixed effectiveness) until a few years ago. Anyone with half a brain (and the NCAA at least has that, even if it doesn't seem so at times) knew that NIL would immediately become massive, unregulated pay-for-play, which is why the NCAA prohibited it for so long.

But then government (in the form of the U.S. Supreme Court and various state legislatures, controlled by both parties) screwed it up by striking down the NCAA's regulatory system. This created the new Wild West landscape that virtually everyone involved sees is out-of-whack, with the intersection of NIL and liberalized transfer rules creating de facto free agency--in a league with no "salary cap." Now the only way to rein it in and create some sort of order and competitive balance in college sports is through federal legislation. So government intervention becomes the only solution to a problem that government intervention created in the first place. It's not the first time that has happened...
Posted by Hardluck Harry
Member since Jul 2023
617 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:22 am to
Anyone who thinks Federal intervention is a good idea, needs to be reminded of Title IX

How did that work out for college athletics?
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21500 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:23 am to
quote:

How did that work out for college athletics?


It sucked for men's sports. Pretty good deal for women.
Posted by Hardluck Harry
Member since Jul 2023
617 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:27 am to
quote:

It sucked for men's sports. Pretty good deal for women.
Exactly.

Hurt the cash cow sports that allow colleges to fund money losing women’s teams.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30281 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Anyone who thinks Federal intervention is a good idea, needs to be reminded of Title IX

How did that work out for college athletics?

Are you asking the ladies or the men this question?
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21500 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Hurt the cash cow sports that allow colleges to fund money losing women’s teams.


I don't think it hurt the big sports as much as it did the smaller sports.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36670 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:30 am to
quote:

This Bill giving the NCAA back the investigative and oversight power over NIL in addition to forcing athletes to complete the 1st 3 yrs of academic eligibility before transferring w/out penalty may kill this thing instantly.



It shouldn't make it out of committee.
Posted by Hardluck Harry
Member since Jul 2023
617 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:30 am to
I am speaking on an overall basis.

Let’s be realistic. Men’s sports carry the financial load, especially football. IX hurt the money makers.

Great for virtue signaling, and little else.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30281 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:33 am to
quote:

The NCAA tried to regulate all of this without government involvement, and did so (with mixed effectiveness) until a few years ago. Anyone with half a brain (and the NCAA at least has that, even if it doesn't seem so at times) knew that NIL would immediately become massive, unregulated pay-for-play, which is why the NCAA prohibited it for so long.

But then government (in the form of the U.S. Supreme Court and various state legislatures, controlled by both parties) screwed it up by striking down the NCAA's regulatory system. This created the new Wild West landscape that virtually everyone involved sees is out-of-whack, with the intersection of NIL and liberalized transfer rules creating de facto free agency--in a league with no "salary cap." Now the only way to rein it in and create some sort of order and competitive balance in college sports is through federal legislation. So government intervention becomes the only solution to a problem that government intervention created in the first place. It's not the first time that has happened...
The NCAA kicked the can too far down the road and slow-played or outright refused to compromise with student-athletes for even an ounce of monetary compensation resulting in government intervention.

The NCAA created this shite and lost all control, oversight or investigative powers. Serves them right in some regards for being obstinate and unwilling to evolve & relax some rules in favor of their student-athletes.

Now it's a wide-open system with zero governance that I don't think the NCAA can ever reign in again.
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21500 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:37 am to
quote:

I don't think the NCAA can ever reign in again.


I don't think so either. Hopefully the NIL will bring about the end of the NCAA.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4584 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:38 am to
I think this is the wrong approach.

I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with NIL for players on a team. I think the issues are with using NIL to recruit.

"We'll give you 5 million in NIL if you come to our school" is the problem, not "You led us to a national championship, here's a 5 million dollar NIL deal."

The approach this bill seems to take toward solving that is to make the player stay at the school.

I don't think that's the right answer. The right answer is to make it so the player gets the money offered even if they go to another school.

If a collective makes a 5 million dollar NIL promise to a player the player should be able to sign the contract and take that money even if they then go to another school. That's how NIL was supposed to work. No NIL deal was supposed to be allowed to be dependent upon attending a particular college. But the contracts are made in ways (with personal appearances and such) so that they can't be filled without being a student at a particular school.

If you don't know you're going to get that recruit you give millions too... booster organizations aren't going to do that anymore. That's the solution in my mind. How to accomplish it... I don't know.

Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
10751 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:43 am to
As long as a coach can leave whenever they want, I will not be in opposition to the one time transfer rule. It doesn't make sense for a kid to be stuck at an institution for 3 years because they made a mistake at 17/18 and signed with the wrong program.

Also, you'd have to redo the verbiage of scholarships themselves. Football scholarship have a year to year standing. They'd have to be guaranteed for 3 years at a minimum.

As a capitalist I'm also against limiting NIL. If Dr. Pepper wants to pay Quinshon Judkins $5m a year, go for it.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 11:46 am
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25890 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:50 am to
quote:

The NCAA tried to regulate all of this without government involvement, and did so (with mixed effectiveness) until a few years ago. Anyone with half a brain (and the NCAA at least has that, even if it doesn't seem so at times) knew that NIL would immediately become massive, unregulated pay-for-play, which is why the NCAA prohibited it for so long.

But then government (in the form of the U.S. Supreme Court and various state legislatures, controlled by both parties) screwed it up by striking down the NCAA's regulatory system. This created the new Wild West landscape that virtually everyone involved sees is out-of-whack, with the intersection of NIL and liberalized transfer rules creating de facto free agency--in a league with no "salary cap." Now the only way to rein it in and create some sort of order and competitive balance in college sports is through federal legislation. So government intervention becomes the only solution to a problem that government intervention created in the first place. It's not the first time that has happened...


Good post.

I'm lazy and didn't click the links. I was hoping for better cliffs (which I don't think I got).

Legislation cannot do anything regarding NIL. Hell... the NFL can't regulate player NIL. It isn't happening for college football now that the toothpaste has been squeezed.

Legislation can do things to collectives. But it won't work. Collectives are designed to create competitive advantages for the football teams (or recruiting athletes). If Legislation attempts to kill collectives, they just reorganize as LLCs for marketing firms (which is essentially what they are) or law firms (i.e. consultants for the athletes).
There is no net benefit even attempting to legislate collectives because they will reorganize closer to NIL and be legal and protected.

The best argument for federal legislation is to control and offset state legislation. State lawmakers are attempting to make it illegal for the NCAA to enforce rules against the schools in the state. Honestly. Of course federal legislation could serve a purpose and put countrywide standards that state legislatures and lawyers would be required to adhere to despite what state statutes command.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30281 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Also, you'd have to redo the verbiage of scholarships themselves. Football scholarship have a year to year standing. They'd have to be guaranteed for 3 years at a minimum.
And the athlete would have to agree to academic progress stipulations added to the scholarship. Which places more importance on working in the classroom.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36670 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:52 am to
quote:

As long as a coach can leave whenever they want, I will not be in opposition to the one time transfer rule. It doesn't make sense for a kid to be stuck at an institution for 3 years because they made a mistake at 17/18 and signed with the wrong program.

Also, you'd have to redo the verbiage of scholarships themselves. Football scholarship have a year to year standing. They'd have to be guaranteed for 3 years at a minimum.


Thank you.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25890 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:54 am to
quote:

As long as a coach can leave whenever they want, I will not be in opposition to the one time transfer rule.


I am opposed.

Florida has about 70 staffers.
When 1 leaves, every player on the roster would argue a right to transfer.

How many schools retain all on field assistants every year? None?
Every player would argue a right to transfer every year.

The only exception to a mandated redshirt year should be graduation.

A player can transfer anytime he/she wants. But there is a forced redshirt unless there is a diploma in hand. Put the student back in student athlete.
No exceptions. Coach leaves? You can too. But you chose poorly out of high school and have to sit a year on the sidelines. Don't like it? Get your diploma. Free agent all you want. You earned it.
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21500 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:55 am to
I'm assuming he meant the head coach only.

first pageprev pagePage 2 of 4Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow SECRant for SEC Football News
Follow us on Twitter and Facebook to get the latest updates on SEC Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitter