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re: NIL and the rich schools
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:43 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:43 am to SidewalkTiger
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Not if the concern of a bad name from getting caught stopped them.
There is no fear factor at all anymore.
I see several schools that have been involved in plenty of scandal so not sure why you insist they're scared of getting a bad name now.
We were speaking of Harvard and schools that have the money should they choose.
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Several of those schools would be competitive right now if they got the right head coach in place, NIL doesn't affect that at all.
BS! ND and Bama signed the exact same number of recruits. Now tell me which class you would have prefered. The one with no 5 stars or the one with 7?
NIL does change it. It gives the richer school with richer connections to say to the TOP QB "we can give you more"
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Several of those schools will never be competitive because their academic standards are too stringent. Another thing that NIL doesn't affect.
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Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:50 am to GodnCountry
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We were speaking of Harvard and schools that have the money should they choose.
Harvard, in particular, has way too stringent academic standards to be competitive in football.
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BS! ND and Bama signed the exact same number of recruits. Now tell me which class you would have prefered. The one with no 5 stars or the one with 7?
Okay? Weird gotcha.
Like I said, most of these teams could be competitive if they had the right head coach in place.
Saban could bring in great classes and win national titles at Notre Dame.
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NIL does change it. It gives the richer school with richer connections to say to the TOP QB "we can give you more"
Again, they could've been doing that all along. Most likely have.
The alumni of schools like Harvard just don't care about college football at the same level as the alumni from Alabama.
Not sure why don't understand this.
The South hasn't historically had many pro sports teams so college football took the place of that where folks in the North are more apt to be pro sports fans.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:13 am to GodnCountry
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You think Harvard alumni is not dedicated to Harvard as much as our fans and alumni are?
No
These aren't the same.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:21 am to GodnCountry
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NIL does change it. It gives the richer school with richer connections to say to the TOP QB "we can give you more"
Then why don't they have the best facilities in the country?
The gauge of dedication can already be measured. Who has better facilities?
Oh, and don't forget that pesky little fact that Ivy League schools don't give athletic scholarships.
Talk about dedication.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:25 am to secuniversity
NIL is an opportunity for those institutions capable of understanding it and willing to spend the man hours needed to utilize it. Most will not I fear.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:27 am to GodnCountry
Texas A&M has a larger endowment than Michigan and many times more than the U.
That means zero. It is the wealth and interest in football of the backers.
Some of the California schools have fan bases with great wealth but zero passion.
In Texas there will be an arms race as never before. A high level Texas HS recruit will be a millionaire before ever getting drafted for the NFL.
From now on schools will need to have backers spend a great deal of money to come in to Texas and get a highly sought recruit. The past deals were merely crumbs.
And zero state income tax in Texas and Florida. These states will be big winners in this.
That means zero. It is the wealth and interest in football of the backers.
Some of the California schools have fan bases with great wealth but zero passion.
In Texas there will be an arms race as never before. A high level Texas HS recruit will be a millionaire before ever getting drafted for the NFL.
From now on schools will need to have backers spend a great deal of money to come in to Texas and get a highly sought recruit. The past deals were merely crumbs.
And zero state income tax in Texas and Florida. These states will be big winners in this.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:35 am to secuniversity
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Then why don't they have the best facilities in the country?
The gauge of dedication can already be measured. Who has better facilities?
Oh, and don't forget that pesky little fact that Ivy League schools don't give athletic scholarships.
Talk about dedication.
Exactly. OP can't understand these things.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 11:54 am
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:52 am to secuniversity
No they currently are not. Does not mean they can't.
They are richer for a reason
They are richer for a reason
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:56 am to GodnCountry
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No they currently are not. Does not mean they can't.
They are richer for a reason
Football just isn't important to most of those fanbases on a whole.
Not sure why you think NIL would suddenly change any of that.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 12:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
The OP is off on this ...
The big football schools have entrenched themselves in the market with 75 + years of infrastructure, tradition, and branding. It would take Harvard a decade just to make football attractive there. There's still always more at play than just money.
Because the money comes when the fans come. No fans / no money. The ROI for these schools and business is the fact that people want to see the product they are advertising on. On the contrary I think struggling schools with Rabid fan bases like Michigan Nebraska Tennessee could make a significant comebacks because of the local demand
Ultimately the trickle down of this ends in a National College Football league. When the TV deals renew the money that 30-40 D1 schools could make in 1 league Will far out pace the rest of the 80-90 other D1 schools.
It's for more economical for advertisers to see the 5star QB from Oklahoma with 1 million social media followers playing a schedule of Texas LSU Oregon Penn St rather than Kansas Iowa St Texas Tech
The big football schools have entrenched themselves in the market with 75 + years of infrastructure, tradition, and branding. It would take Harvard a decade just to make football attractive there. There's still always more at play than just money.
Because the money comes when the fans come. No fans / no money. The ROI for these schools and business is the fact that people want to see the product they are advertising on. On the contrary I think struggling schools with Rabid fan bases like Michigan Nebraska Tennessee could make a significant comebacks because of the local demand
Ultimately the trickle down of this ends in a National College Football league. When the TV deals renew the money that 30-40 D1 schools could make in 1 league Will far out pace the rest of the 80-90 other D1 schools.
It's for more economical for advertisers to see the 5star QB from Oklahoma with 1 million social media followers playing a schedule of Texas LSU Oregon Penn St rather than Kansas Iowa St Texas Tech
Posted on 7/3/21 at 1:26 pm to Outback Ray
Because blowu has shite for a TV market.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 1:43 pm to GodnCountry
"A football school" is the antithesis of what an Ivy league school is and wants to be.
Elitist ego will never allow NIL to change this.
Elitist ego will never allow NIL to change this.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 1:55 pm to GodnCountry
OP is a fricking moron
Posted on 7/3/21 at 1:58 pm to GodnCountry
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The top 20 US universities with the wealthiest alumni, ranked.... No SEC schools on that list. Period.
Rich alumni isn't even the most important factor.
The players personal brand and image >>>>>>> rich alumni.
Joe Burrow wouldn't have been limited to endorsement deals with Cane's and Rouses. If a school does a good job of helping a player with their personal brand, national companies will be lining up to hire them. You'll see big name athletes signing with insurance companies and massive chain retailers. That's where the big money will come from.
People are looking at this the wrong way. Schools like LSU and Alabama are promoting a players PERSONAL brand. LSU could go 1-12, and Northwestern could go 13-0, but if LSU has a player with 5 million tik tok followers and 2 million combined twitter and instagram followers, that player will be compensated 5x higher than the best player on Northwestern's team.
See livvy Dunne, the LSU gymnast. She is a mediocre gymnast who is extremely popular on social media. She just signed a multi million dollar deal with a national corporation in New York.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 2:16 pm to GodnCountry
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When you look up the richest schools in a search, you find hardly any SEC schools.
Alabama: $1,238,954
Arkansas: $948,679
Auburn: $641,993
Florida: $1,555,703
Georgia: $1,004,987
Kentucky: $1,142,722
LSU: $851,833
Mississippi State: $449,106
Missouri: $1,476,959
Ole Miss: $606,387
South Carolina: $625,186
Tennessee: $1,106,924
Texas A&M: $10,477,102
Vanderbilt: $4,133,542
So sad that Vandy has all that money and puts next to nothing back into athletics. Their football program could be respectable like Stanford or Northwestern but they choose not to be.
These figures should also tell you why we added mizzou. It’s common sense but idiots look at football records and think that’s what determines conference expansion
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 2:31 pm to secuniversity
You are missing the point for the sake of argument. While I have no belief that Harvard will, he is absolutely right. If they decided to, they have the money to do it.
Pointing out to Virginia and Northwestern is more on point.
Pointing out to Virginia and Northwestern is more on point.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 2:48 pm to GodnCountry
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Explain what's keeping...
They're not seriously interested in contending on a national stage. Example: If winning championships was important to USC, why didn't they hire Urban Meyer when he was available? They, like other programs, have other priorities that detract from what is available for football, like making money (as opposed to spending money on football).
Besides, money only goes so far. Look at Texas A&M. They claim to have more resources than Fort Knox, but we all know damned well, they, just like Georgia, ain't winning shite in our lifetimes.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 3:18 pm to turnpiketiger
Not even the correct numbers. This has jack fricking shite to do with the budgets
Posted on 7/3/21 at 3:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
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A school can't legally pay players anymore now than they could before NIL.
How is it people are not understanding this?
Posted on 7/3/21 at 4:06 pm to secuniversity
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hat's why the teams that are dominating now will continue to dominate in the NIL-era.
Simply look at how much boosters are giving to programs already and it will be directly proportional to their money spent on NIL.
No, you will see teams in larger markets make a return to prominence. Look for USC, TX and Miami to start moving up. The SEC has money, but the markets are relatively small in most states.
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