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re: Nate Oats: If certain guys can't give us effort, then there may not be a spot for them
Posted on 7/6/20 at 2:37 pm to AA7
Posted on 7/6/20 at 2:37 pm to AA7
It's 9th on Rivals and 12th on 247. 4 years from now when all is said and done I'd bet it ends up being way higher than the 6th best SEC class this year as far as results on the court.
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 2:38 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:They won't have to. With the exception of a good true center, Alabama's gonna have plenty of depth next year. If you truly believe that Alabama had one of the four most talented teams in the SEC last year, then you don't know shite about basketball...but again, that doesn't surprise me.
Just another excuse. The league wasnt very deep and if you have three of the top 12 scorers in the league, you should win more than he did. The league is not going to stand still while Oats improves his depth.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 2:42 pm to Crimsontide1713
quote:Reese can barely jog when he's healthy, and he played most of this season with a leg injury.
No amount of coaching could make Alex Reese a good defender.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 2:49 pm to Irons Puppet
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You can teach yourself how to shoot with practice, defense requires coaching. Any time a fan complains about Defense, they need to direct it at the coaching staff. It is either technique or effort, both are the responsibility of the Coaches.
That ain't what Red Auerbach said.
He said that he could teach anybody to shoot with enough time, BUT it takes a special person to play elite defense...he must be tough, tenacious, and have the will to dominate his man.
But then who would listen to Coach Auerbach when they had Irons Puppet (a.k.a. SkyKing) to "learn" from?
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 7/6/20 at 2:57 pm to AA7
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Let’s not act like recruiting has been the thing keeping bama basketball down
Alabama's top classes were almost always due to a good point guard and a bunch of "athletic" kids from the state or region.
We've never signed this many gifted, long, players before, and specifically never signed guys that fit to a very specific system (because that would require having a specific system). And we've certainly never signed this many kids from across the country/world with different skillsets than the majority of regional/state kids. Add in Bruner and Quinnerly and it was as good a job as anyone could reasonably expect. Oats remade the roster in his image in 15 months.
Now he has to win with them. I'm excited about the roster and the style, but I'll hold off on ultimate excitement until they actually win basketball games.
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:00 pm to Crimsontide1713
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The rankings don’t take into account Bruner, Quinerly, or Gary. That’s a top 5 class tbh
Can we go back and count people from previous classes too?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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but I'll hold off on ultimate excitement until they actually win basketball games.
We both know you're going to get your hopes up leading up to the season like every fan
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:03 pm to AA7
Not for recruiting, but for being a better basketball team you can.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:04 pm to Crimsonians
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Not for recruiting
Then why did he call them a top 5 class?
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:06 pm to AA7
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We both know you're going to get your hopes up leading up to the season like every fan
Oh I'm excited about the program, but I'll believe it when I see it. This is Alabama basketball and nothing would be surprising.
But it's a legit roster in 2020-2021. Still early in his system, and COVID stuff probably hasn't helped, but they should be a good basketball team. Which means we won't have a season or we'll have 6 ACL tears or something
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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We've never signed this many gifted, long, players before, and specifically never signed guys that fit to a very specific system (because that would require having a specific system). And we've certainly never signed this many kids from across the country/world with different skillsets than the majority of regional/state kids.
I get what you're saying and agree that Oats has done a good job recruiting his players and not just grabbing what he can get, but Avery brought in some serious talent. He didn't do shite with them, but he got them on the roster. Just looked at 247 all time rankings and 3 of the top 8 for bama all came under Avery. That's pretty impressive given the fact that bama's had some really good players.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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But it's a legit roster in 2020-2021. Still early in his system, and COVID stuff probably hasn't helped, but they should be a good basketball team. Which means we won't have a season
This would be the only redeeming part of not having a season. Auburn has a team of infants meanwhile bama has the best roster they've had in a really long time. Most of me would weep but there's a part of me that would laugh hysterically
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:10 pm to AA7
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I get what you're saying and agree that Oats has done a good job recruiting his players and not just grabbing what he can get, but Avery brought in some serious talent. He didn't do shite with them, but he got them on the roster. Just looked at 247 all time rankings and 3 of the top 8 for bama all came under Avery. That's pretty impressive given the fact that bama's had some really good players.
His recruiting was fine. It was his coaching and development that was the problem.
Petty improved more last season than he did in multiple seasons with Avery
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:10 pm to AA7
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Avery brought in some serious talent
Yea he signed some good players - mainly the 2 guards and Petty, but his issue (outside of development and game management) was (a) He had no system and (b) his depth signings were not good or cohesive.
Good college basketball programs that aren't blue blood, sign 5-stars every year, HAVE to play a style and know the guys who fit that style. Pearl is one of the best at that. We haven't had a guy who did that since Wimp. Even Gottfried, who had success, didn't do that. He just signed the hell out of talented offensive players.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Good college basketball programs that aren't blue blood, sign 5-stars every year, HAVE to play a style and know the guys who fit that style. Pearl is one of the best at that. We haven't had a guy who did that since Wimp. Even Gottfried, who had success, didn't do that. He just signed the hell out of talented offensive players.
I feel like Grant did that. Unfortunately his style made offense optional.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:17 pm to AA7
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I feel like Grant did that. Unfortunately his style made offense optional.
Yep - though he also played a style that was conducive to recruiting in the state and region. Long, athletic guys can be taught how to play good on-ball and team defense, and Grant was very good at that. Those guys grow on trees in the Deep South. Like you said, unfortunately, that wasn't paired with much on the offensive end, and a lot of those long, athletic guys were not very offensively skilled.
Crazy to see how he changed at Dayton.
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:27 pm to coachcrisp
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That ain't what Red Auerbach said.
He said that he could teach anybody to shoot with enough time, BUT it takes a special person to play elite defense...he must be tough, tenacious, and have the will to dominate his man.
But then who would listen to Coach Auerbach when they had Irons Puppet (a.k.a. SkyKing) to "learn" from?
Red was good at teaching the set shot, sky hook and underhand FT to big white guys.
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:32 pm to coachcrisp
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They won't have to. With the exception of a good true center, Alabama's gonna have plenty of depth next year. If you truly believe that Alabama had one of the four most talented teams in the SEC last year, then you don't know shite about basketball...but again, that doesn't surprise me.
More fricking excuses. I know BB and if you have three of the top 12 scores in the SEC, you will win a majority of the games. The SEC was very thin last season, so the results should have been much better.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:20 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:How about pointing out any excuse I made in my post, SkyKing. You're simply babbling now.
More fricking excuses
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:25 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:..and had the best defensive teams in the NBA for years, not to mention his nine World Championships.
Red was good at teaching the set shot, sky hook and underhand FT to big white guys.
It's obvious you're a real authority on the game.
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