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re: Ms ST... Hang in there, getting very close
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:24 am to bamameister
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:24 am to bamameister
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It's hard to see Mike Leach's style getting a whole lot more effective. Rush 3 and drop 8 in a zone and Leach just can't run the football.
We ran for 115 yards yesterday....
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:24 am to turnpiketiger
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62 pass attempts LOL
Will begin to pull better talent due to it at the WR, QB, and RB...
MS ST is extremely young.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:26 am to Rayburn8
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We ran for 115 yards yesterday....
Should have been for 150 yards. The RBs are not seeing everything that's there. Won't make a decision quickly.
#7 more so than 23. When 7 just hits the hole, he moves! too many times, he is just looking to see which hole to hit.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:29 am to Jjdoc
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Watch a game. Find footage. They have guys open all game. ALL GAME. It's the lack of experience of the So QB.
100%. Anyone that thinks the offense won’t work with a QB that properly can go through his progressions clearly isn’t paying attention.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:29 am to Jjdoc
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Leach has faced 3-8 his entire career. You act like the SEC just invented that.
Leach has never played 3-8s with the amount of talent that he sees weekly in the SEC. And it shows.
Those little spaces that were available in the B12 and the P12 don't exist in this league unless you manipulate defenders into making false steps. Nothing in the Leach offense does that.
They're a yearly 5-7 to 7-5 program with him. I dunno if that's acceptable or not but it's the way it is.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:31 am to Jjdoc
The life/existence of miss state and ole miss football
Just accept what y’all are
Just accept what y’all are
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Leach has never played 3-8s with the amount of talent that he sees weekly in the SEC. And it shows.
Leach has a history of taking less and doing more. He walked into Auburn with one of the worst teams he has ever had and it took the officials to save Auburn... at Auburn.
MS ST is not WSU. They also play in the SEC and have SEC Talent.
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Those little spaces that were available in the B12 and the P12 don't exist in this league unless you manipulate defenders into making false steps. Nothing in the Leach offense does that.
They do and did all last year and so far this year. They lost by 7 to UGA at UGA.. yeah.. that defense. with 44 players too.
The spaces are there. And when the QB starts seeing it, you will be the first to admit it.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:43 am to Jjdoc
K, sounds great
Leach is what he is. His offense is what it is, and hasn't changed in 10+ years. He'll win a few wild ones, lose a few weird ones and lose most every game they play against top 10 level teams like he did at Texas Tech and Wazzu.
He's lost less than 4 games 3 times in 20 seasons and he's now in the toughest and deepest division in college football history. He'll go 6-6/7-5 most of the time. And that may be fine, I dunno, but expecting more than that is setting yourself up for disappointment.
Leach is what he is. His offense is what it is, and hasn't changed in 10+ years. He'll win a few wild ones, lose a few weird ones and lose most every game they play against top 10 level teams like he did at Texas Tech and Wazzu.
He's lost less than 4 games 3 times in 20 seasons and he's now in the toughest and deepest division in college football history. He'll go 6-6/7-5 most of the time. And that may be fine, I dunno, but expecting more than that is setting yourself up for disappointment.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:46 am to Jjdoc
Should be 4-0? LSU BEAT moo St up and down the field. The score was not indicative on the beat MSu took.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:51 am to Jjdoc
Starting to see that d against a lot of spread teams now
West va did same thing to ou
A team can gash you in run game that way and that will be the adjustment offenses make to attack it
West va did same thing to ou
A team can gash you in run game that way and that will be the adjustment offenses make to attack it
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:51 am to Solo Cam
Auburn Miss. State
1st Downs 15 29
3rd down efficiency 5-13 12-18
4th down efficiency 1-1 0-0
Total Yards 343 486
Passing 280 371
Comp-Att 17-27 47-62
Yards per pass 10.4 6.0
Interceptions thrown 1 1
Rushing 63 115
Rushing Attempts 27 26
Yards per rush 2.3 4.4
Penalties 5-32 6-36
Turnovers 1 2
Fumbles lost 0 1
Interceptions thrown 1 1
Possession 24:52 35:08
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:53 am to LatinTiger30
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“ Should be 4-0? LSU BEAT moo St up and down the field. The score was not indicative on the beat MSu took.”
Really, State out gained LSU by 150 yards, doubled them in FD’s, TOP was 36:00-24:00, Ran 88 plays to 51, a missed FG was the difference in the game.
LSU had no sustained drives. Three big plays for TD’s and the other was off a TO.
Credit to LSU for winning the game but in no way did they dominate yesterday’s game.
“ Should be 4-0? LSU BEAT moo St up and down the field. The score was not indicative on the beat MSu took.”
Really, State out gained LSU by 150 yards, doubled them in FD’s, TOP was 36:00-24:00, Ran 88 plays to 51, a missed FG was the difference in the game.
LSU had no sustained drives. Three big plays for TD’s and the other was off a TO.
Credit to LSU for winning the game but in no way did they dominate yesterday’s game.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:53 am to bamameister
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Leach just can't run the football.
They outrushed LSU yesterday…
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:57 am to dbuchanon
quote:is that really a meaningful measuring stick? They might have rushed for 115 but LSU was ready to give up 2 to 3 times that with that front.
They outrushed LSU yesterday…
Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:59 am to LouisvilleKat
The OP said they can’t run the ball, I just said they had dbl the rushing yards of LSU yesterday.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
2000 Texas Tech 7–6
2001 Texas Tech 7–5
2002 Texas Tech 9–5
2003 Texas Tech 8–5
2004 Texas Tech 8–4
2005 Texas Tech 9–3
2006 Texas Tech 8–5
2007 Texas Tech 9–4
2008 Texas Tech 11–2
2009 Texas Tech 8–4
That's with way worse talent than everybody. I only see 2 7 win seasons, and zero 6 win seasons.
2012 Washington State 3–9
2013 Washington State 6–7
2014 Washington State 3–9
2015 Washington State 9–4
2016 Washington State 8–5
2017 Washington State 9–4
2018 Washington State 11–2
2019 Washington State 6–7
Again... doing way more with WAY less.
None of those are MSU who consistently has an above average to great defense.
MSU did not just happen into WRs. He trains them. He's never had this many 4 stars on a team he has coached. Never. And they are all young.
Sawyer Robinson is MSU's highest rated QB ever. He went to State to play for Leach. The kid threw for over 12,000 yards in HS.
The argument of Leach has never faced SEC talent is one of complete ignorance. Leach himself now has SEC talent.
2001 Texas Tech 7–5
2002 Texas Tech 9–5
2003 Texas Tech 8–5
2004 Texas Tech 8–4
2005 Texas Tech 9–3
2006 Texas Tech 8–5
2007 Texas Tech 9–4
2008 Texas Tech 11–2
2009 Texas Tech 8–4
That's with way worse talent than everybody. I only see 2 7 win seasons, and zero 6 win seasons.
2012 Washington State 3–9
2013 Washington State 6–7
2014 Washington State 3–9
2015 Washington State 9–4
2016 Washington State 8–5
2017 Washington State 9–4
2018 Washington State 11–2
2019 Washington State 6–7
Again... doing way more with WAY less.
None of those are MSU who consistently has an above average to great defense.
MSU did not just happen into WRs. He trains them. He's never had this many 4 stars on a team he has coached. Never. And they are all young.
Sawyer Robinson is MSU's highest rated QB ever. He went to State to play for Leach. The kid threw for over 12,000 yards in HS.
The argument of Leach has never faced SEC talent is one of complete ignorance. Leach himself now has SEC talent.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:04 am to LatinTiger30
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LSU BEAT moo St up and down the field. The score was not indicative on the beat MSu took.
I have never seen a group of fans that suffered with such denial and delusion as LSU.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:04 am to Jjdoc
People will hate on this thread but you are a fool to dismiss a Leach coached team at any point in a season. Remember when Wash St. lost to an FCS team week 1? Then they went on to win 10 games.
He will surprise and beat a couple of teams we don't expect him to.
He will surprise and beat a couple of teams we don't expect him to.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:05 am to Jjdoc
State's talent relative to the reet of their division is basically the same as TT relative to the BXII South or Wazzu relative to the P12 North that he was in at the time.
I'm sorry, are you arguing that his style of offense faced similar defensive talent in the P12 North or B12 South? That's absurd.
Oh yea? Well then he probably needs to figure out how to use it against these defenses he supposedly has more weapons to fight. Because their offensive output has been awful for 1.5 years now.
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The argument of Leach has never faced SEC talent is one of complete ignorance
I'm sorry, are you arguing that his style of offense faced similar defensive talent in the P12 North or B12 South? That's absurd.
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Leach himself now has SEC talent.
Oh yea? Well then he probably needs to figure out how to use it against these defenses he supposedly has more weapons to fight. Because their offensive output has been awful for 1.5 years now.
Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:05 am to LatinTiger30
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LSU BEAT moo St up and down the field.
No you didn't. It took MSU to help you win. The FG kicker injured and missed the FG. Carelessness on the part of a Wr, and the busted play by a back up...
They held you to 63 yards rushing and to 280 in passing.
vs
371 passing and 115 rushing.
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