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Posted on 11/21/19 at 7:21 pm to boot
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Yep, he squandered the 2018 season. That team was loaded with NFL players
How do think Dan would've done? I'm just skeptical of them accomplishing much with Fitz
Posted on 11/21/19 at 7:25 pm to anc
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Moorhead is a good recruiter. I think he is a good coach.
He has to prove it. I think that's something everybody can agree on. At the same time, he needs to be given the time.
1 more year with proof in wins has to be it. That's my opinion.
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He's Mississippi State's version of Oregron. Wasn't ready to be an SEC head coach. 12 years later, he's got the No. 1 team in the nation and is about to win the national championship with a Heisman QB.
Time will tell right.
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Do you remember his tenure at Ole Miss? That's Moorhead. I told someone today if he ends up at Rutgers I wouldn't be surprised if he had them winning in 2 years and competing in 4.
He may be. But right now, I pretty sure you need to hang on to him 1 more year and that does 2 things:
- removes doubt or proves him.
- you get a great class for another coach with a ton of commits.
You can go check this, but I'm told that there are 3 players for sure (with 2 others as high probability) will bolt and they are sold on Moorhead. But you do your own checking...
- Marks. You will be very thin at RB next year. He is also your top recruit
- Forbes and Griffin.
He has a lot of WRs coming in. You need them.
Next class he has what will be a 5 star WR and 3 more 4 star leans just at WR.
My point is the man is pulling them in. Yes, he has to prove himself. But he can't if he is not given the time.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 7:31 pm to BobLeeDagger
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If we’re spoiled because we expect to win 8 games then so fricking be it.
Even though Mullen never did that yearly, you SHOULD expect to have 8 wins yearly.
But you will never do it with a coach carousel that you are about to create. You are about to dig a massive hole when it's not necessary yet.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 7:36 pm to Mithridates6
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How do think Dan would've done? I'm just skeptical of them accomplishing much with Fitz
I'm not sure what he is going to say, but according to their local people in the media( Starkville Daily News), this year they are playing 20 freshmen (10 true and 10 redshirt)
Posted on 11/21/19 at 8:02 pm to Jjdoc
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He has to prove it. I think that's something everybody can agree on. At the same time, he needs to be given the time.
He's had 23 fricking games. If his issue was a talent issue, we'd have a lot more patience with him, and his teams would be showing some improvement week over week. It's about the product on the field. We see Croom-level incompetence week after week. That's not a talent issue. That's a coaching issue. He should have been fired after the outback bowl. And like I said earlier in this thread, anyone who disagrees is an idiot.
When you know, you know.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 8:22 pm to Mithridates6
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How do think Dan would've done? I'm just skeptical of them accomplishing much with Fitz
I don’t know, but that team won 9 games the year before, and the talking heads were saying Fitz was an NFL talent that was really about to break out his senior season.
He looked competent and led the offense well under Mullen.. Moorhead’s scheme made Fitz look like straight shite.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:01 pm to Drebin
Trying to compare Croom and Moorhead is not even possible. Croom did a tremendous job building the program that was a dumpster fire when he inherited it.
The truth is really somewhere in between.
JoMo came into a good situation but it was not quite as good as some of us thought it would be. Last year, we were two dropped passes from being 10-3. The problem being that he came in with an arrogant attitude and pumped up expectations. You could see that we were set up for failure in 2018 because anything less than 9-11 wins was going to be a disappointment.
This year add the Tudor Gate, Stevens getting injured and having a true freshman playing QB. I know he was trying to improve the roster but KThompson had been in the program three years and I believe the players would have played harder for him. Our defense already being thin has suffered some injuries (which I know are part of it). Add in the fact that in several games , we have looked unprepared at the beginning (that is on Moorhead).
What this adds up to is a mixed bag where the State program is concerned. He has made some mistakes and has missed some opportunities to win some games. OTOH, we have seemed to be void of any good fortune that last two years (and I realize that you make some of your own luck).
I am more patient than most of our fans so I am willing to keep Moorhead because I do think he is an outstanding coach and the potential is there for the program to be strong under his tutelage. I think he can help himself by winning the next two games, winning a bowl game and having a strong recruiting class. That would restore some of the confidence that has been lost by our fan base over the last year and a half.
We will see what happens but regardless of what the next week brings , there are some fans that will never be satisfied.
The truth is really somewhere in between.
JoMo came into a good situation but it was not quite as good as some of us thought it would be. Last year, we were two dropped passes from being 10-3. The problem being that he came in with an arrogant attitude and pumped up expectations. You could see that we were set up for failure in 2018 because anything less than 9-11 wins was going to be a disappointment.
This year add the Tudor Gate, Stevens getting injured and having a true freshman playing QB. I know he was trying to improve the roster but KThompson had been in the program three years and I believe the players would have played harder for him. Our defense already being thin has suffered some injuries (which I know are part of it). Add in the fact that in several games , we have looked unprepared at the beginning (that is on Moorhead).
What this adds up to is a mixed bag where the State program is concerned. He has made some mistakes and has missed some opportunities to win some games. OTOH, we have seemed to be void of any good fortune that last two years (and I realize that you make some of your own luck).
I am more patient than most of our fans so I am willing to keep Moorhead because I do think he is an outstanding coach and the potential is there for the program to be strong under his tutelage. I think he can help himself by winning the next two games, winning a bowl game and having a strong recruiting class. That would restore some of the confidence that has been lost by our fan base over the last year and a half.
We will see what happens but regardless of what the next week brings , there are some fans that will never be satisfied.
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:11 pm to red sox fan 13
Saban grew up in W. Va., but played college ball in Ohio and didn’t come south until he came to LSU from Michigan State (quasi-Yankee?).
Milles was also from Ohio, and while he ultimately was let go, he did win a national championship and played for another (along with a couple of SEC championships, and played for another).
Bill Arnsparger was an Kentucky native who also played college ball in Ohio (another quasi-Yankee), and was LSU’s head coach before becoming AD at Florida. He was a very successful coach at LSU.
Paul Diezel, was also from Ohio, and led LSU to a national champtionship, several highly ranked finishes.
Urban Meyer, another Ohio native had a modicum of success at Florida.
So while I sympathize with the frustrations at MSU, it isn’t necessarily where the coach is from that determines success. Maybe MSU should find someone with Ohio connections.
Milles was also from Ohio, and while he ultimately was let go, he did win a national championship and played for another (along with a couple of SEC championships, and played for another).
Bill Arnsparger was an Kentucky native who also played college ball in Ohio (another quasi-Yankee), and was LSU’s head coach before becoming AD at Florida. He was a very successful coach at LSU.
Paul Diezel, was also from Ohio, and led LSU to a national champtionship, several highly ranked finishes.
Urban Meyer, another Ohio native had a modicum of success at Florida.
So while I sympathize with the frustrations at MSU, it isn’t necessarily where the coach is from that determines success. Maybe MSU should find someone with Ohio connections.
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:15 pm to Drebin
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That's not a talent issue. That's a coaching issue. He should have been fired after the outback bowl. And like I said earlier in this thread, anyone who disagrees is an idiot.
You are an insane person. Uncoupled from reality.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:18 pm to Jjdoc
I believe that's you. He scored 7 points on an abysmal Alabama defense this year and 0 the previous year.
After BYE weeks he scores an average of 6 PPG.
We are trash offensively.
I guess the good thing we did was hold Alabama to 3 points after That went out.
But that's more of how bad Mac is, Auburns defense is about to eat.
After BYE weeks he scores an average of 6 PPG.
We are trash offensively.
I guess the good thing we did was hold Alabama to 3 points after That went out.
But that's more of how bad Mac is, Auburns defense is about to eat.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:19 pm to BobLeeDagger
We aren't spoiled. We're Mississippi State. And since Jackie Wayne Sherrill we have all had expectations to have a quality product.
And we have not had that since the 2017 Alabama Football Game. Period.
And we have not had that since the 2017 Alabama Football Game. Period.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:22 pm to Godawgs4
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We will see what happens but regardless of what the next week brings , there are some fans that will never be satisfied.
I think every fan base has that issue.
The issue is when those people take over programs by becoming the vocal majority while level headed people allow it.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:32 pm to The Winner
That's what happens when a team with not much talent at wr position has to rely on just the run.
Per your own sports people... you lost 50% of your offense from last year. Per your people, you returned only 50% of your tackles and that was prior to losing 2 for the season and 10 for the academic fraud.
I dont care how great you think your roster is. Slice and dice it the way you want. It's not filled with experience at all. And it's not stacked.
What you are wanting would result in a massive hole. Ark has had 7 commits drop. You fire Moorhead, and you are going to create a hole as bad.
You can mark that down.
Per your own sports people... you lost 50% of your offense from last year. Per your people, you returned only 50% of your tackles and that was prior to losing 2 for the season and 10 for the academic fraud.
I dont care how great you think your roster is. Slice and dice it the way you want. It's not filled with experience at all. And it's not stacked.
What you are wanting would result in a massive hole. Ark has had 7 commits drop. You fire Moorhead, and you are going to create a hole as bad.
You can mark that down.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:49 pm to Jjdoc
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OM averaged 169 yards passing in those games. That WR talent is really making all the difference.
It is in keeping the off balance enough.
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Except for he didn't.
He had the 112th passing game passed on to him. From that 112th passing team, he lost the NFL (aka only bright spot) TE and the top 3 producing receivers and 2 others (that transferred out and one couldn't even break into the rotation at East Tn St).. lost a NFL OLman..
But MSU averaged 173.8 yards passing in 2018, which you just said is enough to balance the offense. Since he had a great running QB, 2 great RBs, a great OL, and according to you a balanced offense, why didn't he produce?
Posted on 11/22/19 at 12:16 am to The Winner
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We aren't spoiled. We're Mississippi State. And since Jackie Wayne Sherrill we have all had expectations to have a quality product.
These youngsters can't remember the 90's because they were still licking car windows.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 12:29 am to Jjdoc
Moorhead ended doing fall practices at "the farm." There was a standard of mental toughness that went along with that. He's been to easy on these guys and you play like you prepare.
I hope Moorhead can beat Ole Miss and return for 2020, because I'm a cautious fan, and know things may not work out like some of our posters are thinking - big picture.
I'd rather collect a good class and wait and see, next year, before roster issues become much worse. That is something that can hurt a new coach tremendously.
I hope Moorhead can beat Ole Miss and return for 2020, because I'm a cautious fan, and know things may not work out like some of our posters are thinking - big picture.
I'd rather collect a good class and wait and see, next year, before roster issues become much worse. That is something that can hurt a new coach tremendously.
This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 12:31 am
Posted on 11/22/19 at 6:35 am to Jjdoc
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You can mark that down.
We will Darkhorse.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 7:11 am to Jjdoc
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Dan won 8. He did so while facing a lesser schedule and is does not change the rest of what was stated. Moorhead's first year without what was described faced the #6 toughest schedule in the nation.
Google says State won 9. Also, if I recall correctly, the expectations were very high for State going into the 2018 season.
This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 7:20 am
Posted on 11/22/19 at 7:44 am to Godawgs4
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Croom did a tremendous job building the program that was a dumpster fire when he inherited it.
Yeah, I stopped reading right here. You should probably log off and delete your user name.
Sylvester Croom was only good at three things: Eating, cashing checks, and blaming everyone else for his problems. He is easily the worst coach in the history of SEC football. He didn't build anything.
This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 7:45 am
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