re: Moorhead's rebuild? Really?

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What's the relevance there? We're talking about THIS year. And how the offenses compare to similar opponents.

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Well, there RB is averaging 7.2 per carry as their main back. So I would say his 5 stars are showing up.

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You have said over and over that we're young,

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No... I have not. You need to distinguish between experience vs youth... dont put words in my mouth to make your case.

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Miss is younger than us with less talent (according to rankings the past 5 years) 

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Here again, you mistake what's being said. So I will go extreme to make the connection for you. Ms st has the #1 class. They signed four 5 stars and 2 4 stars. Ole miss has the 20th ranked class with five 4 stars. All of MS St recruits are on defense.... all of ole missed are on offense.

Who improved their offense? Now that's the extreme, but the point is....

Do you have a 5 star rb, and 5 to 6 4 star wrs??? That's called managing a roster and Mullen screwed the pooch (pun) in that. And you are blaming Moorhead for the result.

This isnt that hard of a subject.


Yes Moorhead has to prove it on the field. In order for him to do that the depleted roster has to be addressed. Any coach would have to. Saban had to here.

So you look at the qhome picture? Qb play? Is it better? Yes. True freshman Shrader is better than Sr Fitz. Are improvements being made to the passing. Again, look at those games you mentioned. Yes. Improvements.

Is the wr Corp being improved? Yes. Look at the talent coming in and committed. I asked do you have 5 to 6 wrs rated that high? No... but they are coming.

Is he addressing the massive hole that Mullen left... you know 4 returning starters???

I tell you what. Why dont you go and make out the 2 deep with who is coming and and returning. I think you will see that in the next 2 years you will have another beast of a team with a guy who can recruit to keep the roster managed properly.

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No one is denying his ability to manage a roster or recruit.

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So we have some agreement.

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The discipline, good play calling, and in game adjustments are non existent.

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Here is what I have seen. With Fitz, you had a guy who spent 4 years making a different read. He had one off season to adjust and he did not adjust well. As a result, Fitz did not even hand it off when he should have.... Those are his reads to make that he was not making.

That is what some people feel is poor play calling. You put DAK in and those reads are made properly and you see a different result. The play book has not changed. Yet you see the difference in the QB play and you have a 1000 yard back again.

You are running it 60.5% and passing it 39.5% in 2019.
You ran it 61.4% last year, and passed it 38.6%..2018

Now is his play calling perfect? No. No coach has perfect calls every down.


The discipline is due to the experience most of the times. Look at our team. We are way ahead of you in those types of penalties you mentioned(or somebody did). Our game against each other was the worst I have seen. Are you suggesting that Saban lacks fire a discipline?

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Forgive us for not being all in on a guy who can't even start a game without a delay of game penalty.

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Preaching to the choir. The difference for us is our talent level can over come those against most teams.

I seriously think you need to give him another year.

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No.. Google states MS ST won 9. Dan was in UF at the end of Nov.

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You’re just being contentious for arguments sake. He may have not coached in that game but his staff did and the result would most likely have been the same.

Additionally, regardless of State’s inept passing attack, the defense was loaded and the expectations were high.

Furthermore, Fitzgerald’s regression as a quarterback was most likely a result of Moorhead forcing him to adapt to his coaching scheme as opposed to Moorhead scheming to the strengths and abilities of Fitzgerald.

Based on the eye test, Moorhead seems to be in over his head and is failing miserably. Surely you cannot be happy with the results on the field or the efforts of this coaching staff.

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No.. Google states MS ST won 9. Dan was in UF at the end of Nov.



You’re just being contentious for arguments sake.

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Not at all. I stated 8 games, you stated 9. Did he coach the last game or not?

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He may have not coached in that game but his staff did and the result would most likely have been the same.

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Actually no. They were not allowed to stay around due to recruiting. Special teams coordinator Greg Knox was made interim in Nov for the Jan 1 game. Knox, Elliott, Looney and others including cornerbacks coach Terrell Buckley and safeties coach Ron English .

The DC gone etc etc.

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Additionally, regardless of State’s inept passing attack, the defense was loaded and the expectations were high.

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Yep many hoped that Moorhead could help Fitz. But like it has been stated by more than me, they lost 2 NFL guys on offense, one being a NFL TE and 4 wrs out of 10. 2 others were injured and never the same.

I don't care who you are, with that roster, not much more could have been done. As pointed out by a state fan here. 2 games should have been won if Fitz could hit the broad side of a barn and the receivers DON'T drop 2 passes.

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Furthermore, Fitzgerald’s regression as a quarterback was most likely a result of Moorhead forcing him to adapt to his coaching scheme as opposed to Moorhead scheming to the strengths and abilities of Fitzgerald.

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Maybe you need to look a bit deeper. He's a career 53% passer. He didn't get that in a year where his % was 51.7%.

2016- 2,423 passing yards 21 TDs 10 ints
2017- 1,767 passing yards 15 Tds 11 ints

That's under Mullen. Regression?

Maybe you meant rushing yards and tds right?

2016- 1375...16 tds
2017- 984....14 tds.

Is that regression? roughly 1100 yards different. Does that look like an offense improving heading into Moorhead's tenure?

JDoc

Some of these guys have a microwave outlook on football. Unfortunately, most State fans have lost confidence in Moorhead and I am not sure anything at this point will restore it.

I do agree with you though if we have some patience we can be a good program again.

We are nowhere close to what we were in 2004-2005 even with some of the disappointments we have had this year.

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He wasted Hill this year. My 87 y/o dad, State grad, says Moorhead is worse than Croom due to his lack of leadership skills. He also has no imagination in play calling, often runs either the back or Qb straight up the gut on wasted downs and the team has no discipline, which says a lot for some of the State teams we’ve followed over the years. But I give Moorhead credit, he has lost some weight.

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Most of that may be true, but Hill is the leading RB in the SEC right now.

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Some of these guys have a microwave outlook on football. Unfortunately, most State fans have lost confidence in Moorhead and I am not sure anything at this point will restore it.

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They are right to a degree. He has to prove it. There is no reason in year 8 to have a losing season!!!!


Wait... That was Mullen.


Seriously. There is not reason why Ms ST can not have a steady 8 win program as the next step. But they are their own worst enemy right now.

It's 100% ok to demand better. It's not ok to ignore all facts and fire a coach. it's bad for the program.

That said, I don’t think MSU will fire Joe unless he is blown out in the Egg Bowl which I doubt happens. I do think he will take a lateral job at another P5 conference if offered

At this point, I hope you do blow them out so these EDfans can get the team they deserve.



Hopefully then, the will purge that cancer from their ranks.