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re: Moorhead has lost 4 games at State as a 6.5 Favorite or more
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:32 am to TeddyWestside
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:32 am to TeddyWestside
No, I'm not. I am simply telling you the truth.
Mullen inherited a very talented young team.
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Moorhead inherited a 1 year talented team.
My question is, why couldn't Mullen get a QB into Ms St for 5 years to go with that talent? It took him until Dak.
Mullen inherited a very talented young team.
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Moorhead inherited a 1 year talented team.
My question is, why couldn't Mullen get a QB into Ms St for 5 years to go with that talent? It took him until Dak.
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:39 am to Jjdoc
It can be true that Mullen did great things for MSU and absolutely quit recruiting his last two seasons and left the roster a shite show at the same time. Idk why people can’t have two separate ideas at the same time.
Our DT, WR and OL is an absolute travesty. We have 1 senior DT, and he is suspended. No JR DT and 1 sophomore. That’s objectively on Mullen. It is the number one problem with our defense this year.
Our WRs were always bad under Mullen, Billy Gonzales is a garbage recruiter and WR coach. Case in point, AJ Brown’s recruitment.
Heavsey could not recruit worth a damn on the Oline Bama’s Scott Lashley would 100% be a Bulldog if he simply recruited him at all. But was lazy and assumed he would just come to MSU (similar to AJ). Heavsey tho could coach the hell of an Oline, I mean he took 2 stars and made them all-sec. So we are bare talent wise without the oline coach to coach em up as much. Marcus Johnson is a hell of a recruiter, but needs to coach up better.
The biggest issue is the suspensions combined with injuries. We are down 20 players on the roster right now and it is killing is on special teams and on defense and Oline. There are players out there who have no business being out there.
But as I said above, it is possible for Mullen to be the greatest coach in MSU history and have some flaws that left the roster in a terrible place. (It was in a great place for 2018, but left in a terrible spot for 2019.)
Our DT, WR and OL is an absolute travesty. We have 1 senior DT, and he is suspended. No JR DT and 1 sophomore. That’s objectively on Mullen. It is the number one problem with our defense this year.
Our WRs were always bad under Mullen, Billy Gonzales is a garbage recruiter and WR coach. Case in point, AJ Brown’s recruitment.
Heavsey could not recruit worth a damn on the Oline Bama’s Scott Lashley would 100% be a Bulldog if he simply recruited him at all. But was lazy and assumed he would just come to MSU (similar to AJ). Heavsey tho could coach the hell of an Oline, I mean he took 2 stars and made them all-sec. So we are bare talent wise without the oline coach to coach em up as much. Marcus Johnson is a hell of a recruiter, but needs to coach up better.
The biggest issue is the suspensions combined with injuries. We are down 20 players on the roster right now and it is killing is on special teams and on defense and Oline. There are players out there who have no business being out there.
But as I said above, it is possible for Mullen to be the greatest coach in MSU history and have some flaws that left the roster in a terrible place. (It was in a great place for 2018, but left in a terrible spot for 2019.)
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:42 am to The Winner
Didn’t you know? Moorhead was the first in Miss St history to win 8 games in a coache’s first year there. He said it himself.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:42 am to FearlessFreep
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It kills me that we lost to these three goobers last year:
LOL, y'all have lost to Orgeron two years in a row and likely this year again.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:51 am to Jjdoc
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why couldn't Mullen get a QB into Ms St for 5 years to go with that talent?
He never got a WR.
Fred Ross came along with Tim Brewster, who never unpacked his suitcase at State
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:09 am to Vecchio Cane
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Fred Ross came along with Tim Brewster
Plus Fred already had family at MSU.
Mullen won 9 games in year 2. Manny Diaz was given a lot of credit for that success, but the truth is that our D had a LOT of NFL talent that Manny inherited. Very similar to what Shoop stepped into last year... not the # of first rounders, but a very solid roster. I need to look it up, but maybe 8 or 9 defensive players made it to the NFL from the 2010 team.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:25 am to Rayburn8
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1 sophomore. That’s objectively on Mullen. It is the number one problem with our defense this year.
Who had to be moved to OL last year due to the holes on that line.
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Our WRs were always bad under Mullen, Billy Gonzales is a garbage recruiter and WR coach. Case in point, AJ Brown’s recruitment.
Not 1 NFL WR to come from a Mullen team at Ms St. And that's sad because you had #1.. Bear.
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Mullen to be the greatest coach in MSU history and have some flaws that left the roster in a terrible place.
Going back to his recruiting:
2015- Dts:
Did NOT sign a single DT
2016- DTs
HS:
- Simmons- Left early NFL 1st round
- Jones (a true Sr not even starting over a freshman this year)
JUCO:
-Brown - Graduated
2017- DTs
-signed 2 DTs that never made it.
-1 Juco The suspended one
-1 HS converted to OL
In 2018, there were no efforts to fill the void that would be there. The people that were signed were straight out of HS. No Jucos lined up. These are now the starters
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:36 am to Jjdoc
You have educated me Jj. Seriously. Thanks.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:40 am to Jjdoc
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I mean Moorhead is ahead of where Mullen was at equal times in their stints at MS St.
Mullen was in a worse position when he took over though so comparing 1st years doesn't make sense.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:42 am to I let the dogs out
I am willing to bet that Moorheads first yr will be his best year regarding wins. My money is on 5 yrs. or less at the helm. He probably chose the 3 yr. pension vesting plan.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:50 am to Vecchio Cane
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Vecchio Cane
I'll ask you since you are probably the most reasonable MSU poster on here (except for your take regarding the Arkansas QBs
) Who do you think overall had a better situation after being hired Mullen or Moorhead? I understand there are probably more issues than people realize from Mullen's departure but very hard to believe it was worse than what Mullen inherited.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:55 am to rockiee
quote:That was just for the sake of argument
except for your take regarding the Arkansas QBs )
JoMo stepped into a MUCH better situation than Dan. But there's more expectation as well.
My only stance is that Dan didn't leave everything A+ status. There were glaring holes in MSU's roster that JoMo is having to deal with. Mullen would have handled it better, imho, but they're not exactly Joe's fault. I'm fine with giving him 4 years to get his own system and players in place, based on his ability to recruit so far
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 11:18 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:56 am to cyarrr
quote:No "likely" about it. It's a 100% lock.
LOL, y'all have lost to Orgeron two years in a row and likely this year again.
I'm afraid that Eaux has turned out to be the best possible hire yall could have made. He's become a solid HC. I have little doubt that he will find a solid replacement for Aranda after this year and just reload.
The Pruitt and Moorhead losses are just inexcusable.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:04 am to rockiee
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Who do you think overall had a better situation after being hired Mullen or Moorhead?
That's a 2 part question even if you didn't know it.
Roster
1- Mullen walked into a great situation with an upcoming Roster. They were young and extremely talented. He would be able to use that talent for the next 5 years. Thus the NFL players. Mullen just could not get his QB during that time.
2- Moorhead walked into a defense and his staff coached them into the #1 spot, but was an older group with holes. Moorhead has to fill that roster to prove himself. It appears he is. The defense is now young and he is bringing in the help needed and that defense will be way improved next year. Moorhead lacked a QB and WRs. He was able to get 2 of his type of QBs after 1 season.
Culture:
1- Mullen walked into a culture ready for change and changed it. Recruiting was a challenge.
2- Moorhead walked into a better recruiting situation but it's Ms ST and Starkville. It will always be a challenge, but it is better.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:30 am to I let the dogs out
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During the K State game Moorhead tried to come out of his shell, and he ran down the bench being all rah rah and giving fives. The response he got from some of the guys was telling to me. They were like “huh? Who is that guy?”
He has a high football IQ and can recruit decent, but is kind of a dork and doesn’t have the personality that it takes to fire up these southern black athletes. He is too “nice” and they don’t respond well to that. They’ll run all over him
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:33 am to deltaland
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doesn’t have the personality that it takes to fire up these southern black athletes
Deer lowered.
You sound like the Tennessee morons talking about Shoop. Please stop
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:17 pm to Vecchio Cane
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But there's more expectation as well.
Good point and no question
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I'm fine with giving him 4-5 years to get his own system and players in place, based on his ability to recruit so far
I know what you mean, Arkansas fans are internally having a battle about the the appropriate time for "getting his guys in".
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:18 pm to Jjdoc
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That's a 2 part question even if you didn't know it.
It is more than 2 parts even but VC did a great job answering it. It is why I asked him. He can be unbiased.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:27 pm to deltaland
I will say that K State seemed more amped up and aggressive in that game, and some of that blame has to fall at Moorhead’s feet.
I’ll also stick by the argument that Moorhead did a piss poor job of adapting his scheme to fit his personnel on offense last year.
Mullen preferred that power spread stuff, but he was capable of adapting to fit his personnel. Like when Tyler Russell was our QB or when he wanted to let Dak showcase his talents for the draft that last year (he also had a skinny midget at RB that year). He let the QB stay in the pocket for the most part those years.
I’ll also stick by the argument that Moorhead did a piss poor job of adapting his scheme to fit his personnel on offense last year.
Mullen preferred that power spread stuff, but he was capable of adapting to fit his personnel. Like when Tyler Russell was our QB or when he wanted to let Dak showcase his talents for the draft that last year (he also had a skinny midget at RB that year). He let the QB stay in the pocket for the most part those years.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 12:30 pm to I let the dogs out
End of the day: KState is much better than last year.
State played with a true freshman QB, without their best DL, DB and LB, and lost by 1 score. It's a bad loss but it's not inexcusable like some we've had in the past.
State played with a true freshman QB, without their best DL, DB and LB, and lost by 1 score. It's a bad loss but it's not inexcusable like some we've had in the past.
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