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re: Mike Leach: about buying recruits(players)

Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:22 am to
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:22 am to
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Hey, Johnny 5*, Tuscaloosa Dodge would pay you $100,000 a year if you came to Bama and let us put your face on our ads.


If money is the only factor, its going to be more like come to Anne Arbor Chevy or Columbus Ford and we will pay you $500,000 per year. 9 of the top 15 biggest alumni networks are Big 10.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12448 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:37 am to
Football is dead on the Left Coast....those people don't give a shite about anything. There are more fans at a Hoover high school game than the PAC-12 CG.
Posted by ClemTig
Ohio
Member since Jan 2019
312 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:43 am to
Here’s the majority of the future competitive schools-

PAC-
USC (Southern Cal media market)
UCLA (Same)
Oregon (Nike)

SEC
TAMU (oil money)
Alabama (football heritage saves them)

ACC
Nobody

Big 12
Oklahoma (oil money, heritage)
Oklahoma Sate (oil money)
Texas (size, oil money, heritage)

Big 10
OSU (size, heritage)
PSU (same)
Michigan (same)
Maryland (under armor)

Independents
Notre Dame (heritage, large fan base d/t catholic support)
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 8:44 am
Posted by ClemTig
Ohio
Member since Jan 2019
312 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:48 am to

These schools will be able to attract the best athletes d/t best opportunities for a fat media payday. So I guess we’ll all have to pick one of these schools or find other pursuits on Saturdays in the fall.

I guess i’d Pull for Alabama. The most Southern of this group.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
50850 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:07 am to
Leach is right.
College basketball players have been endorsed by shoe companies going back to the 80's and any worthy NCAA team has coaches that have been a part of it, and you can't tell me the head coaches have turned a blind eye to it, they just put it on the assistants as the runner between shoe company and player.
Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
Member since Jan 2008
2790 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:31 am to
I'm not feeling the financially driven competition extinction catastrophe narrative. That's craven talk. Change is hard, and someone as smart as Coach Leach aught to realize this is long overdue and worth doing. He'll be fine.
Posted by ClemTig
Ohio
Member since Jan 2019
312 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:50 am to
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I'm not feeling the financially driven competition extinction catastrophe narrativ


That’s wishful thinking. It’s already in action for you to see if you just look. Your examples are NCAA basketball which has been dying a slow death for years, NBA small market teams, and MLB small market teams. They can’t compete and fan bases have dried up over the past 30+years.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12739 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:55 am to
The first paragraph made me laugh and showed the writers bias. Of course other students who pay to go to college can make money off their name . They have to pay for school while athletes go for free.

Leach is on point on this one.
Posted by LBU Bama
Member since Jul 2019
534 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:01 am to
It is a terrible idea just because of the loop holes. It will destroy the sport and all of those kids who received an education and a better life through college football will get zero. So, what's it all really worth?

Left wing cock suckers always think they're ahead of the curve and act like they want what's best but in reality it could blow the entire sport up which would destroy any opportunity a lot of underprivileged kids have to get an education through football. Many think nowadays that college is worthless and these kids are being taken advantage of but you can ask the majority of former college football players and they will tell you it was the best thing that ever happened to them.

Just take a percentage of the income that athletic departments receive and give it to the players. Of course that would put a dent in some pockets so we can't have that.

This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 2:09 pm
Posted by ZouTigers
St Louis
Member since Nov 2012
179 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:30 am to
I don't know if this new system will be a bad thing but I think most people are under estimating how massive the money will be.

I also think the grad transfer portal is going to be a highway of transfers. Undergrad transfers are going to be FAR more common.

Every player 3-star and higher will have a guaranteed payment contract. Most 2-stars will sign contracts.

I've read journalists trying to declare this isn't pay for play. That's a semantics argument of who's paying. The school isn't paying but the booster club is signing contracts at the direction of the coach and AD.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:36 am to
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He is absolutely correct. Which is why you dont pay the athletes individually, you pay I to a pot that is equally shared with all the athletes. Very similar to the way licensing money is equally shared between schools. After all no one player has success on his own. This way everyone gets paid, bit mot nearly enough to destroy the game.





You think this socialist crap is a good idea

Fine

Then pool all the Coaching salaries for all sports on Campus and spread that money around, see if Leach agrees with that

As long as Leach & his agent can benefit from a free market to get him millions in salary, then it is real easy for him to get righteous about someone else's potential money

See if Saban & Dabo wanna spread their $9MM salaries around and share with other coaches in the Athl Dept

That same pot you use for the players use it for the coaches, see how that goes, see how righteous the coaches are then
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:48 am to
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That’s wishful thinking. It’s already in action for you to see if you just look. Your examples are NCAA basketball which has been dying a slow death for years, NBA small market teams, and MLB small market teams. They can’t compete and fan bases have dried up over the past 30+years.


So you're OK with Dabo making $9MM per yr and the players that help him win those games capped at Tuition, Room , and Board

The money in CFB has been out of control for years now, and the only issue that causes fans like you angst is when the players that generate those windfalls demand to be compensated MORE FAIRLY
Posted by Slackaveli
Fayetteville
Member since Jul 2017
15269 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:50 am to
need a better, higher definition screen.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:52 am to
In the NFL a labor Union collectively bargains with ownership for fair treatment, fair pay in that marketplace, something that all courts have upheld
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
54803 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:55 am to
quote:

He does have a point. Although, I’m not too worried about it. California is


It's not just California. We have talked about this for a while now.


There are other states (4 to 5) and the federal gov with a bill.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
54803 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:04 am to
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You think this socialist crap is a good idea


I hate socialism and my history here proves that. However this is a wrong comparison.


quote:

As long as Leach & his agent can benefit from a free market to get him millions in salary, then it is real easy for him to get righteous about someone else's potential money



This backwards, though I agree coaches are way over paid.

Stanford is one of if not the TOP Civil Engineering schools in the nation. There are reasons for that. The people they hire etc. That attracts some of the top students wanting to enter that field, it attracts more money from donors and in tuition.

You are in a round about way stating that all students going there SHOULD be paid in line with the professors and more.





Posted by ClemTig
Ohio
Member since Jan 2019
312 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:11 am to
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The money in CFB has been out of control for years now, and the only issue that causes fans like you angst is when the players that generate those windfalls demand to
be compensated MORE FAIRLY


Truthfully, That is not at all what I fear. When a player plays in amateur status, he has a different mindset than one who gets paid. He is part of the campus/student body and playing for the honor/glory of his school and other students. If he’s playing for a paycheck he’s just a glorified employee. Innocence lost I fear. Loss of competitive balance I fear.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:13 am to
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I don't know if this new system will be a bad thing but I think most people are under estimating how massive the money will be.

I also think the grad transfer portal is going to be a highway of transfers. Undergrad transfers are going to be FAR more common.

Every player 3-star and higher will have a guaranteed payment contract. Most 2-stars will sign contracts.

I've read journalists trying to declare this isn't pay for play. That's a semantics argument of who's paying. The school isn't paying but the booster club is signing contracts at the direction of the coach and AD.


Question:

Do you get this worried when an Asst Coach or a Coordinator leaves and goes to an in Conference Rival?

A Coordinator that makes $1.5MM per year can act like a free agent and the fans say nothing, but those same fans are up in arms about Grad transfers and Undergrad transfers

So what?

Regular college students have free movement and go to whatever college will accept them, why not Athletes, after all the NCAA loves to claim that the STUDENT part of Student- Athlete is more important, if it really is, then give them total Free Agency like regular Students get

When they ask for money the NCAA says, "you're a student and an amateur" then when they say can I transfer without sitting out for a year, then the NCAA treats them like a Pro Athlete and points to all the legalese in their contracts

The NCAA is a corrupt, hypocritical Org, hard to believe that any common sense HUMAN could take sides with the NCAA over the players
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31192 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:15 am to
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Leach is right.
College basketball players have been endorsed by shoe companies going back to the 80's and any worthy NCAA team has coaches that have been a part of it, and you can't tell me the head coaches have turned a blind eye to it, they just put it on the assistants as the runner between shoe company and player.


Hell, Chris Dawkins was a sports agent working deals between Adidas & paying kids and he's serving prison time at 25 yrs old isn't he?
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:24 am to
What?

Regular students sitting in a lecture hall don't generate BILLIONS in TV dollars, Athletes in FB & MBB do

There is no comparison, please stop comparing these big money Athletes at these big money schools to regular college students that generate very little if any money for their schools

85 FB players and 13 MBB players gross $200MM per year for Alabama's Athl Dept, find another group of 100 students that comes close to that

Lotsa CFB fans really don't understand the financials behind big time College sports
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