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re: Mike Leach: about buying recruits(players)
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:27 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:27 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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if it really is, then give them total Free Agency like regular Students get
They can change schools anytime they want. Whether the school he decides to transfer to gives him a free ride (scholarship) is up to the new school. Participation in sports is a privilege, not a right.
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Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:28 am to Arksulli
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This is a really slippery slope here and it can cause a lot of harm.
Please tell us who will be harmed?
Who was harmed when the top pay for HCs went from $2MM per yr to $9MM per yr in a span of about 15 years?
Inquiring minds want to know who'll be harmed
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:31 am to Cadello
I seriously do not see how aTm doesn’t own the sec west. I thought by now we’d all be chasing them with resources and recruiting advantage in their area.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:35 am to surgicalvenom
A compromise that amounts to this is what will ultimately happen. A percentage of TV and video game revenue will be paid to each school. The schools will then pay every athlete a flat amount equal across all sports. This is the only way to preserve title IX which is going to be the biggest hurdle to all of this.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:38 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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Regular students sitting in a lecture hall don't generate BILLIONS in TV dollars, Athletes in FB & MBB do
You keep repeating this so let me end it for you.
Universities are supposed to be institutions of learning, not pre-NFL combines.
You don't think people like Tim Cook having graduated from AU don't contribute to the successful reputation and enrollment level of those institutions?
You think University's enrollment level is predicated on the number of NFL draft picks they create?
Who do you think created the infrastructure that allows those athletes to become potential millionaires in pro sports? You think they would be making millions on their own? You think these fake student-athletes brought the game of college football with them?
Hell no, without the college system and NCAA most of these kids would be lucky to be working the drive through at Burger King after their high school playing days. It isn't the athletes that bring the money...it is the system that develops them. They are nothing without it.
That being said, this same system brought this on themselves by moving the spirit of college athletics away from its origins into the entertainment industry it now is like the NFL so I feel they deserve this.
Let us end this farce and create a minor league for NFL, NBA, and MLB for these kids to go straight into pro sports and let real student athletes go to college.
Easy.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:41 am to ClemTig
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They can change schools anytime they want. Whether the school he decides to transfer to gives him a free ride (scholarship) is up to the new school. Participation in sports is a privilege, not a right.
Comprehend better, a regular student can transfer to another school and be able to participate in everything on that campus
A Revenue producing Athlete has to sit out a year, the NCAA can't claim they're regular Students when they ask for pay for play, and then when want to transfer without sitting out then they treat them like contracted employees
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:48 am to PeeJayScammedGT
quote:I look at it from a pure team standpoint. I think it will harm team chemistry and therefore it will harm the product on the field in a sport I love.
Please tell us who will be harmed?
Who was harmed when the top pay for HCs went from $2MM per yr to $9MM per yr in a span of about 15 years?
Inquiring minds want to know who'll be harmed
Tua gets a $250,000 endorsement deal from Tuscaloosa Chevrolet, as a spokesperson for Chevy he also gets to drive a band new Tahoe around campus as part of the endorsement package. Good for Tua!
Not one offensive lineman gets shite because they aren't the face of the offense, they are the grunt workers. No one knows them or even cares about an autograph.....Yet without them Tua can't do a damn thing.
Are these linemen going to want to work hard and protect their QB and help him shine while he pulls scads of cash and they don't get a dime?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:51 am to TrueLefty
There is NOT a salary cap on endorsements in the NFL. He's an idiot.
Example: Player can choose between Green Bay or L.A. making the same amount of salary, but has MORE opportunity for endorsement in L.A. market. Does NFL step in and say, "No you can't do that! That's going to give L.A. an unfair advantage!" Answer: frick no they don't.
Example: Player can choose between Green Bay or L.A. making the same amount of salary, but has MORE opportunity for endorsement in L.A. market. Does NFL step in and say, "No you can't do that! That's going to give L.A. an unfair advantage!" Answer: frick no they don't.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:53 am to DivePlay
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Universities are supposed to be institutions of learning, not pre-NFL combines.
If this is really TRUE, then cap HC salaries to whatever the highest paid Undergrad Dept Head makes and don't allow outside income from Nike and coaches shows etc
You want a world that is FOR PROFIT, FREE MKT for the Coaches & ADs, then back to amateur purity for the players standing on the same sideline
Is it an environment of "higher learning" for the Coaches or HIGHER EARNING?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:53 am to RT1941
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Not one offensive lineman gets shite because they aren't the face of the offense, they are the grunt workers.
So are you then anti-capitalism? Grunt workers do most of the work at almost every organization while the fat cat collects the majority of the money. It's basic economics.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:04 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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If this is really TRUE, then cap HC salaries to whatever the highest paid Undergrad Dept Head makes and don't allow outside income from Nike and coaches shows etc You want a world that is FOR PROFIT, FREE MKT for the Coaches & ADs, then back to amateur purity for the players standing on the same sideline Is it an environment of "higher learning" for the Coaches or HIGHER EARNING?
I 100% agree, and I never said I wanted for profit athletics. You are debating a point that I never made.
Few differences. The players standing on the sideline are not the same as a head coach as far as market value. Stop comparing the two. Great players are a dime a dozen, great coaches are not. This is determined by the free market, I don't personally attribute that value to either one.
You sound like the union guy who turns a bolt on an assembly line saying he should make as much as the owner who created the company. Ultimately that is the person that took the risk.
Don't take my disagreement with paying student athletes as endorsement for the corrupt system the college systems and NCAA have allowed it to become. Like I said they are the ones to blame for allowing it to become what it is today.
Finally, don't conflate that I am supporting the college model as it currently stands and that I don't sympathize with players. I think they should be paid for their career the second they step into professional sports. My take is that they should do it sooner, and in a totally different system than student athletics
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:08 pm to transcend
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So are you then anti-capitalism? Grunt workers do most of the work at almost every organization while the fat cat collects the majority of the money. It's basic economics.
Our education system...christ. I know you Bernie bros on here are thinking your snark with comments about capitalism, murika and other reddit cliche's are scoring debate points but you are exposing your ignorance.
Grunt workers do the low value market work...so much so that many are being replaced by automation. Carrying a heavy box does not mean you do the "real" work. Just means you do low intellectual, low market value work.
The so called fat cats took the risk in creating the company that your "real workers" were employed by.
That is actual real basic economics...the garbage your spewed is economics according to emotional toddlers.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:15 pm to RT1941
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I look at it from a pure team standpoint. I think it will harm team chemistry and therefore it will harm the product on the field in a sport I love.
Tua gets a $250,000 endorsement deal from Tuscaloosa Chevrolet, as a spokesperson for Chevy he also gets to drive a band new Tahoe around campus as part of the endorsement package. Good for Tua!
Not one offensive lineman gets shite because they aren't the face of the offense, they are the grunt workers. No one knows them or even cares about an autograph.....Yet without them Tua can't do a damn thing.
Are these linemen going to want to work hard and protect their QB and help him shine while he pulls scads of cash and they don't get a dime?
That ship has already sailed
The horses are already out of the barn
The toothpaste ain't going back in the tube
You get the message
But seriously, that scenario is already happening in your beloved Bama locker room
The Stars on the team get more visits from your NETWORK OF BAGMEN, and when they visit they bring HEAVIER BAGS to those star players
When this happens the lesser players don't tank on purpose out of jealousy, Bama's won loss record proves that I'm right
I think your reaction and similar reactions from other fans is simply fear of the unknown
If your child was a star Athlete and helped pack a 100K seat stadium, and helped a HC make $9MM per year for 6yrs ($54 mill), there's NO WAY that you would sit back and say I'm glad to see all that $$$$ that my child helped to generate be transferred to subsidize NON-revenue Sports and to make the Coaches & ADs insanely rich because he got a super valuable Bachelor's Degree in return and he did it for the PURITY of School Spirit and amateurism
If you're like the rest of of us Americans with a pulse and common sense, you'd ask, "where's my Son's cut"?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:23 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Most of the players at Alabama would say the opportunity is more than enough because they're not complete morons.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:25 pm to DivePlay
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Our education system...christ. I know you Bernie bros on here are thinking your snark with comments about capitalism, murika and other reddit cliche's are scoring debate points but you are exposing your ignorance. Grunt workers do the low value market work...so much so that many are being replaced by automation. Carrying a heavy box does not mean you do the "real" work. Just means you do low intellectual, low market value work. The so called fat cats took the risk in creating the company that your "real workers" were employed by. That is actual real basic economics...the garbage your spewed is economics according to emotional toddlers.
Wow. Where do I even begin with this?
I likely disagree with you on many things based solely on your first hyperbolic, politically enraged sentence and you clearly missed the part where I was writing that mostly tongue in cheek, but I'll bite.
If the players on the football field were a corporate structure, would you classify linemen as more or less valuable than the QB position?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:41 pm to DivePlay
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Few differences. The players standing on the sideline are not the same as a head coach as far as market value. Stop comparing the two. Great players are a dime a dozen, great coaches are not. This is determined by the free market, I don't personally attribute that value to either one.
You sound like the union guy who turns a bolt on an assembly line saying he should make as much as the owner who created the company. Ultimately that is the person that took the risk
Wow!
First of all we'll never know the market values of the players because it is ARTIFICIALLY CAPPED by the NCAA
If great coaches are so valuable, what was Belichick without Brady, an NFL journeyman that had been fired from a previous NFL job
If great Coaches are so valuable, then Saban can take 85 Ivy League players and win big and keep winning at a level that will maintain his $9MM paycheck, can Saban take Vandy's roster and beat LSU consistently and make the CFP and play for Championships
Saban should be able to based on your ideology where Coaches are worth more than players
Your assembly line metaphor is asinine, these HCs & ADs didn't build these Universities from the ground up and incur a "business risk", they are part of a system that provides Athletic Entertainment and get paid to do so
My point is that PLAYERS are also a part of this system and are WORTH MUCH MORE than Scholarship + CoA money
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:45 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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First of all we'll never know the market values of the players because it is ARTIFICIALLY CAPPED by the NCAA
False.
The market and draw is the schools themselves.
Every other league that tries to start up fails. And that's while they don't even pay their players very much at all.
Take all the 4 and 5 star players, put them in another league or let them go to the NFL. College football will not miss a beat, because the individual players have no draw.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:49 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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My point is that PLAYERS are also a part of this system and are WORTH MUCH MORE than Scholarship + CoA money
AAF players got only $70k for their salary. And that is taxable.
That's less than what Alabama spends on players, which is about $120k, and doesn't include the $20-$25k they get in legit funds like pell grants, stipends, etc.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:51 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Saban should be able to based on your ideology where Coaches are worth more than players
Saban is a professional coach. His salary reflects market value because college football teams compete with the NFL for their coaches.
There is no other market for college players.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:54 pm to ClemTig
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The road we are going down in NCAA football is going to lead us to 10 teams that can compete and the rest of us will be the Washington Generals to the Harlem Globetrotters
We're already there.
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