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re: Mike Leach: about buying recruits(players)
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:55 pm to DivePlay
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:55 pm to DivePlay
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Who do you think created the infrastructure that allows those athletes to become potential millionaires in pro sports? You think they would be making millions on their own? You think these fake student-athletes brought the game of college football with them?
That infrastructure is worth NOTHING without talented PLAYERS
Take FB players from RICE, VANDY, or TULANE and put them in "the infrastructure" at Bama or LSU
What would you get
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An empty stadium, a lot of losses and a bunch of fired coaches and administrators
You say things in a purely hypothetical sense without taking the time to see how it would work out in the real world
It sounds great when you write it but it doesn't hold up when you apply it to the real world we live in
Wanna know what the PLAYERS did bring with them, insane work ethic from age 6 or 7 until the age of 18 when they enrolled in College, that's 10 to 12 years of dedicated SACRIFICE that you are dismissing as nothing and having no value, but the coach's sacrifices are legit but not the Player's sacrifices
I understand YOUR KIND loud and clear
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Posted on 10/4/19 at 1:07 pm to TrueLefty
Mike Leach = Flake
There’s a reason why he hasn’t landed a gig at a blueblood school.
There’s a reason why he hasn’t landed a gig at a blueblood school.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 1:14 pm to Old Sarge
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74-72
50 more days. Better get you money's worth out of that one while you still can.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 1:34 pm to TrueLefty
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Because virtually anybody can go up to anybody and say ‘Hey, I’ll endorse you for this or that.’”
Amazing that he's one few making this point.Its obviously been made on this board but I saw some clueless idiot on ESPN saying the players wouldn't "make that much" and only the "well known" kids would be making a "few thousand" speaking to "touchdown clubs".
Couldn't believe how amazingly naive he was.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 1:48 pm to 3down10
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Saban is a professional coach. His salary reflects market value because college football teams compete with the NFL for their coaches.
There is no other market for college players.
If there's no market for the players then this California Law is no big deal, let every state pass a similar law and according TO YOU, not one corporation will sign them to endorsement deals because they have no free market value
Allow them to get endorsements and there will be plenty of free market opportunities for the players
I'm really curious, everyone loves to trumpet their 2A rights, but somehow are against these players benefitting from their basic 1A Rights, ownership of their likeness and being able to profit from it
The NCAA should find a way to exist without infringing on basic Constitutional Rights of the players
Posted on 10/4/19 at 2:21 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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If there's no market for the players then this California Law is no big deal, let every state pass a similar law and according TO YOU, not one corporation will sign them to endorsement deals because they have no free market value
Allow them to get endorsements and there will be plenty of free market opportunities for the players
I'm really curious, everyone loves to trumpet their 2A rights, but somehow are against these players benefitting from their basic 1A Rights, ownership of their likeness and being able to profit from it
The NCAA should find a way to exist without infringing on basic Constitutional Rights of the players
It's already legal for players to make money off their likeness.
They just can't play college football after. That is the right of the NCAA.
The Constitution doesn't even remotely apply to the NCAA or this topic.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 2:40 pm to DivePlay
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Great players are a dime a dozen, great coaches are not
The NFL is a lot closer to free market capitalism, and there the great players make more than the great coaches, so I think you’re wrong.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 2:59 pm to Penrod
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The NFL is a lot closer to free market capitalism, and there the great players make more than the great coaches, so I think you’re wrong.
Less than 1% of college players make it to the NFL.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:05 pm to 3down10
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It's already legal for players to make money off their likeness.
They just can't play college football after. That is the right of the NCAA.
The Constitution doesn't even remotely apply to the NCAA or this topic.
Well it's only a matter of time before the NCAA loses in Court yet again
Regular students at those Colleges can make money off their likeness and not lose any privileges, so it's only a matter of time before other States join California and pass similar Laws so that Athletes can do the same
In the case of California the NCAA doesn't supercede State or Federal Law
Yeah the Constitution does apply, you see Federal Monies are co-mingled on College Campuses in a myriad of ways, it's only a matter of time before a player(s) sue in Federal Court and wins
See when Federal money is co-mingled at Universities the 14th Amendment ensures equal treatment under the Law, only a matter of time before a case ends up in Federal Court
Everyone with a scintilla of common Sense knows that anyone anywhere in the US should be able to earn endorsement money
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:15 pm to RD Dawg
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Amazing that he's one few making this point.Its obviously been made on this board but I saw some clueless idiot on ESPN saying the players wouldn't "make that much" and only the "well known" kids would be making a "few thousand" speaking to "touchdown clubs".
Couldn't believe how amazingly naive he was.
So what if a player does earn TONS in endorsement money, so what
Suppose Zion earned a $10MM endorsement deal from Adidas because they out bid Nike?
So what, good for him
Doesn't change my ability to enjoy ACC MBB or a Duke v Carolina game with Dickie V doing the play by play
Since it doesn't impact fans , why are so many fans so emotional about another person earning money that doesn't negatively impact them in any way
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:17 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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The NCAA should find a way to exist without infringing on basic Constitutional Rights of the players
Who the hell is forcing kids to sign with an NCAA member institution and give up their rights?
College athletes are free to accept pay for their likeness any time they want, the Cali didn't change a thing. They can accept all the endorsement deals they can gather for themselves.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:26 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Well it's only a matter of time before the NCAA loses in Court yet again
They won't lose on this.
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Regular students at those Colleges can make money off their likeness and not lose any privileges, so it's only a matter of time before other States join California and pass similar Laws so that Athletes can do the same
Regular students pay to be there.
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In the case of California the NCAA doesn't supercede State or Federal Law
The NCAA is not a government entity. It's a private NATIONAL organization and it can do what it wants. The law is directed towards California schools.
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Yeah the Constitution does apply, you see Federal Monies are co-mingled on College Campuses in a myriad of ways, it's only a matter of time before a player(s) sue in Federal Court and wins
See when Federal money is co-mingled at Universities the 14th Amendment ensures equal treatment under the Law, only a matter of time before a case ends up in Federal Court
Then I guess every student should be given a scholarship, free room and board, and all the many other benefits college athletes get?
I think I'll pass on taking Constitutional Law advice from someone who can't even properly punctuate a sentence.
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Everyone with a scintilla of common Sense knows that anyone anywhere in the US should be able to earn endorsement money
They are able to earn endorsement money already. It's legal in every state.
It's funny that your ignorant arse actually believes only 1 side has rights.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:36 pm to RT1941
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What does the NCAA have to do with Constitutional Rights?
Who the hell is forcing kids to sign with an NCAA member institution and give up their rights?
College athletes are free to accept pay for their likeness any time they want, the Cali didn't change a thing. They can accept all the endorsement deals they can gather for themselves.
Many NCAA member schools are STATE UNIVERSITIES, where Constitutional Rights for the students and employees are very much adhered to, EXCEPT for the Athletes
Why is TITLE IX followed by the NCAA, Federal Law made possible by the constitution
So the NCAA follows Title IX but cares nothing about the 1A
With 1,083 member schools and all the major schools with TV & Media Deals aka interstate commerce , the NCAA operates as a CARTEL and in the USA they don't tend to fare very well in Federal Court
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:46 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Since it doesn't impact fans , why are so many fans so emotional about another person earning money that doesn't negatively impact them in any way
Emotional?You're bleeding all over this board trying to make your case.Why is it soooooo important to you to see this legislation passed?
Do you REALLY this about Zion and a few guys cashing in?
Do you not understand the fraud and abuse that's going to take place?
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:50 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
quote:If any member institution wishes to withdraw from the CARTEL "they" are running then they are free to do so.
With 1,083 member schools and all the major schools with TV & Media Deals aka interstate commerce , the NCAA operates as a CARTEL and in the USA they don't tend to fare very well in Federal Court
NCAA is 100% voluntary - the schools run the damn thing.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:51 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Many NCAA member schools are STATE UNIVERSITIES, where Constitutional Rights for the students and employees are very much adhered to, EXCEPT for the Athletes
Why is TITLE IX followed by the NCAA, Federal Law made possible by the constitution
So the NCAA follows Title IX but cares nothing about the 1A
With 1,083 member schools and all the major schools with TV & Media Deals aka interstate commerce , the NCAA operates as a CARTEL and in the USA they don't tend to fare very well in Federal Court
You use way too many words that you obviously do not know the meaning of.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:56 pm to 3down10
quote:What's so comical is that none of this shite even goes into effect for 4 more years. And the major Cali schools have said they won't allow their student-athletes to take advantage of the new Cali law. Hell, some major schools have stated publicly that they won't play Cali schools that allow their athletes to get paid.
You use way too many words that you obviously do not know the meaning of.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 4:02 pm to RT1941
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What's so comical is that none of this shite even goes into effect for 4 more years. And the major Cali schools have said they won't allow their student-athletes to take advantage of the new Cali law. Hell, some major schools have stated publicly that they won't play Cali schools that allow their athletes to get paid.
I'm just glad I don't live in that state anymore.
But this is the main problem with government, they think they have to be constantly passing new laws.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 4:02 pm to RD Dawg
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Do you not understand the fraud and abuse that's going to take place?
Fraud & abuse?
That ship has sailed
When you guys recruited Herschel that Trans Am your bagman gave him was worth more than the house he grew up in
The system of fraud & abuse has been around for years and as soon as it becomes legit and above board then you find religion and worry about Fraud & Abuse
Abuse is HCs making $9MM Salaries playing cupcakes with HCs that make $300K while the players can't make a dime
You guys are funny
Just curious did you stop following MLB when players started getting $200+MM Contracts, did you stop listening to your favorite musician when they made $50MM in one year, of course not
Posted on 10/4/19 at 4:04 pm to TrueLefty
He's 100% right. We are bound and determined to kill the golden goose.
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