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re: Middle ground with the Chavis debate
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:10 am to Nguyening
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:10 am to Nguyening
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Your defense will be great this year, but you're at the top of the first drop of the roller coaster.
If we're great this year, we'll be great from here on out. Orgeron and Steele are bringing in more defensive talent than we've had recently.
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Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:11 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
na, losing chavis wasn't a good thing.
it MIGHT not be so bad IF steele shows he's up to the task. until then, it's not a good thing, steele has never proven to be half the DC chavis is. he might suprise everyone and turn out to be a great DC, we'll see.
i don't wanna here about bebe, he's an awesome recruiter who has never been a coordinator in his entire career.
i'm tired of hearing about it. alleva wouldn't match the terms with A&M so chief left. given the sorry state of our offense and less future financial security, i can't blame him for leaving.
it MIGHT not be so bad IF steele shows he's up to the task. until then, it's not a good thing, steele has never proven to be half the DC chavis is. he might suprise everyone and turn out to be a great DC, we'll see.
i don't wanna here about bebe, he's an awesome recruiter who has never been a coordinator in his entire career.
i'm tired of hearing about it. alleva wouldn't match the terms with A&M so chief left. given the sorry state of our offense and less future financial security, i can't blame him for leaving.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:12 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
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If we're great this year, we'll be great from here on out. Orgeron and Steele are bringing in more defensive talent than we've had recently
They are playing with Chavis' guys though. Once all Chavis' guys are gone we will get a better barring. Same argument used against A&M to downplay Sumlin his first year.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:13 am to RightHook
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RightHook
I think this might be the first time a LSU fan has looked at this thing in a big picture standpoint and not just pulled the im glad chavis is gone card.
I appreciate that.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:14 am to 3andOut
Chavis doesn't have "guys" bruh.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:15 am to 3andOut
And the worst offense...status quo
2nd worst behind McNeese actually!
2nd worst behind McNeese actually!
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:16 am to 3andOut
i'm not sure how losing the DC who took a young defense with a weak dline from shaky to tops in the sec is a good thing.
fricking retards. i was mad when chavis left, but it's done. i'm not gonna sit here and keep thinking about it like a child, all emotion.
it may turn out ok, but we don't know that yet. we'll find out starting tonight.
fricking retards. i was mad when chavis left, but it's done. i'm not gonna sit here and keep thinking about it like a child, all emotion.
it may turn out ok, but we don't know that yet. we'll find out starting tonight.
This post was edited on 9/12/15 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:17 am to 3andOut
I don't think anybody was really "happy" to see him gone per se, but the defense had not been what it had been in 2013 and 2014, while better statistically, didn't have the "it" factor, particularly along the defensive line and blew several games at the end. He wanted a 3 year guarantee and a big raise, but after an 8-5 season in 2014 and a 2013 team that most felt underperformed, nobody on the staff deserved a new contract like that and that includes the head coach.
Sometimes it's just time to get some fresh blood in. Also, the way he handled everything was really unprofessional and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and rightfully so.
Sometimes it's just time to get some fresh blood in. Also, the way he handled everything was really unprofessional and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and rightfully so.
This post was edited on 9/12/15 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:17 am to MoneyShot
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Chavis doesn't have "guys" bruh.
This is objective fact. Chavis really does not scout on site or recruit throughout the year. He'll do in homes and work camps, but thats about it.
eta. you could argue that they're his guys in that he has coached them up for a year or two.
This post was edited on 9/12/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:22 am to djrunner
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2nd worst behind McNeese actually!
Touche
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:24 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I don't think anybody was really "happy" to see him gone per se, but the defense had not been what it had been in 2013 and 2014, while better statistically, didn't have the "it" factor, particularly along the defensive line. He wanted a 3 year guarantee and a big raise, but after an 8-5 season in 2014 and a 2013 team that most felt underperformed, nobody on the staff deserved a new contract like that and that includes the head coach.
Sometimes it's just time to get some fresh blood in. Also, the way he handled everything was really unprofessional and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and rightfully so.
While I agree and am not arguing with what you are saying AT ALL. You do have to take into consideration that he did not have the greatest offense last year. I know that offense isnt 100% of the picture and there are undoubtedly flaws elsewhere, but your defense has kept you in so many games the last 2 years.
You held A&M to 17 points. Thats impressive.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:27 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
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eta. you could argue that they're his guys in that he has coached them up for a year or two
This is exactly my point.
5 star ratings for sure carry some weight, but we have seen plenty of high school talent fail to develop in college. Recruiting the guys is one thing, developing them is another. Thats why a program like UT can have top 5 recruiting classes and still have terrible seasons.
Getting the players is important, developing them is more important.
ETA: if feels amazing to be able to have a civil conversation with a couple of LSU fans. Sorry SDV, Drac, Hg give most of your fanbase just a bad name on tRant. I like you guys
This post was edited on 9/12/15 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:30 am to 3andOut
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You do have to take into consideration that he did not have the greatest offense last year
No but the offense did what it had to do to give us the best chance to win given we were replacing literally every skill position player. It shortened the game and didn't turn the ball over, which is really all you can ask for in that situation. We had a outstanding offense in 2013 and the D let us down, that doesn't mean we gave Cam Cameron a huge raise with guaranteed years after that season.
This post was edited on 9/12/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:32 am to Cajun Ag
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A&M's D has no where to go but up, and we wont know until the end of the season how much better we actually got.
Yea, but that is the easy part.
Season 1 will be the new benchmark. Season 2 will let you see what you really have.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:32 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
I was excited to get Chavis but he refused to recruit at the end and his buddy Haley slacked the last two years.
Ag got better with their coordinator and lsu got two guys with fire on the trail and sideline.
I can say both improved in some way without seeing one game.
Ag got better with their coordinator and lsu got two guys with fire on the trail and sideline.
I can say both improved in some way without seeing one game.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:33 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
Melt
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:34 am to texag7
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:37 am to MoneyShot
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Chavis doesn't have "guys" bruh.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:42 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
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Is there anyway both sides can admit the situation may have been equally beneficial to each team?
I'll say if Chavis continued the two year trend he was on into year three, no one would have wanted him and Miles would have been stuck with another problem of being too loyal to fire a coordinator he felt he owed something to. On the other side, the replacement has to be right and while the name may be Steele, the real upgrade from Chavis is Coach O and the hit you in the mouth attitude he has brought back to BR.
Posted on 9/12/15 at 10:50 am to Quicksilver
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Has a Chavis led defense ever given up 70 points?
Nope, his defense only allows just enough for his team to lose by playing prevent when handed the lead against quality opponents.
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