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re: McElroy admits this morning on Jox that the Bama bump in recruiting rankings was real....
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:23 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:23 am to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
Swing and a miss. The fact that you read that and missed the point entirely shows your Bama ignorance.
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:24 am to RollTide1987
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So it is your assertion that it was just a coincidence that four and five star players like Rolando McClain, Dont'a Hightower, Mark Ingram II, Trent Richardson, Julio Jones, etc. dominated the SEC during their time at Alabama?
Not my assertion. Results are facts. Other facts are that compared to recruit rankings, by 247, the teams those guys played on, were less talented than the Bama team that was fielded this year.
You did know that argument was made of straw when you typed it though.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:24 am to HailToTheChiz
Saban got out as soon as the schedule toughened up
Bama benefited from a favorable schedule his entire career
Bama benefited from a favorable schedule his entire career
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:27 am to nicholastiger
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Saban got out as soon as the schedule toughened up
Bama benefited from a favorable schedule his entire career
Never change LSU fans
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:27 am to koreandawg
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Recruiting services bumped the Bama guys up to sell subscriptions
Which is well known
It’s painfully obvious that Bama fans don’t understand “Bama bump”.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:28 am to koreandawg
Legit question.. please don't eviscerate me. I'm not a signing day junkie per se. But do recruiting classes regularly forecast football success? Didn't A&M have a top class not long back?
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:29 am to bstew3006
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It’s painfully obvious that Bama fans don’t understand “Bama bump”.
so maybe you can explain...
I guess the fact that Alabama has more NFL players than any other team is just a coincidence.
And yes, I realize another coach won't recruit as well as Saban did, but that's not the point nor the contention of this topic.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:30 am to koreandawg
Good thing there is no gump bias.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:32 am to BLG
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so maybe you can explain...
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guess the fact that Alabama has more NFL players than any other team is just a coincidence.
This…this right here shows you don’t!!!
“Bama bump” doesn’t mean Bama recruited inferior talent.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 8:56 am
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:33 am to koreandawg
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Recruiting services bumped the Bama guys up to sell subscriptions.
McElroy is not stupid, but this is an idiotic take. You can say they were being lazy, and relying on Saban’s evaluations too heavily. But if I were running a recruiting service and Saban offered a guy early, I would at least take a hard look to try and figure out what he liked about the guy. His dominance in recruiting lasted too long for it not to have been more about his evaluation of talent than his salesmanship.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:33 am to BLG
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I guess the fact that Alabama has more NFL players than any other team is just a coincidence
I would say that many of the older guys Bama has produced, and are still playing, are better than most of the more recent.
Jones and Cooper are two examples of guys who were there before the Bama bump that are markedly better than any who came after.
There is no doubt that Saban is one of the best at recruiting. But there is no doubt that there was a bump as well.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:35 am to koreandawg
Not just that, but the owner of the site was a Bama fan. Then he sold it and make a different site. Then sold it and made a different site. Bama fan influence in every option except ESPN (which sucks worse).
Add: the higher ranked classes influence the elite talent to go there and have championship level talent around you. Many of the recruits were not as good as their inflated rating.
Add: the higher ranked classes influence the elite talent to go there and have championship level talent around you. Many of the recruits were not as good as their inflated rating.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 8:39 am
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:36 am to RollTide1987
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So real in fact that every single recruiting class that signed with Saban won at least one national championship
You sure about that?
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:41 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Now you are being stuck with the inflated 5 stars, while the future NFL 5 stars are abandoning ship and flipping to other SEC teams.
What a dilemma.
State of Alabama football right now
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:41 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
Shades of Forest Davis. Younguns have no idea
who that was and of his "objective" recruiting reports.
who that was and of his "objective" recruiting reports.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:23 am to koreandawg
The explanation for all of this is so simple and so obvious. The recruiting services can't possibly spend enough time and hire enough experts to actually rank these kids. So they watch how the REAL experts rank them and copy it. Who are the real experts? The top coaches at the top programs.
I can rate two players against each other just by looking at their offer sheets. But sometimes offers aren't real, so maybe I have two guys rated the same, and Bama (I'm talking circa 2012 Bama when they were kings) has offers to each. One signs with Bama and the other signs with Auburn. I have no idea which was better, but I know for a fact Bama wanted the one they signed. I'm not certain they wanted the one Auburn signed. So the next ranking is going to have a Bama bump for the guy they signed. That's just rational.
I can rate two players against each other just by looking at their offer sheets. But sometimes offers aren't real, so maybe I have two guys rated the same, and Bama (I'm talking circa 2012 Bama when they were kings) has offers to each. One signs with Bama and the other signs with Auburn. I have no idea which was better, but I know for a fact Bama wanted the one they signed. I'm not certain they wanted the one Auburn signed. So the next ranking is going to have a Bama bump for the guy they signed. That's just rational.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:28 am to Henry Jones Jr
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We’ve known this for years. A few recruiting sites have admitted to it before
Yet a couple clowns will show up like clockwork with righteous indignation to tell you how stupid you are for thinking it’s a real thing.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:29 am to koreandawg
So is the "South Carolina Subtract..."
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:36 am to thunderbird1100
In my experience, Texas recruits are way over valued and have been for decades.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:53 am to UtahCajun
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Other facts are that compared to recruit rankings, by 247, the teams those guys played on, were less talented than the Bama team that was fielded this year.
Were they? Because the 247 Talent Composite rankings only go back to 2015. And according to the talent composite, Alabama's overall ranking was the following:
2015: #1 overall
2016: #1 overall
2017: #1 overall
2018: #2 overall
2019: #1 overall
2020: #2 overall
2021: #1 overall
2022: #1 overall
2023: #1 overall
And I can guarantee you that Alabama would have been either #1 or #2 on the talent composite from 2010 onwards.
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