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re: Leach’s pneumonia during the season
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:40 pm to kevinthb
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:40 pm to kevinthb
Thank you for sharing, doctors are not always perfect and much is trial and error. You have a cough, you get a steroid + antibiotic. If it goes away the doc is a genius but if not the patient needs folks like you to speak out because the longer it goes misdiagnosed the lower your survival gets.
This is the key as EKG's, bloodwork, and others may look normal when your heart is not normal. Problem is unless you have a cardiologist you are probably not getting an echo. Echo will look at your EF and that is the real detective for finding heart issues that do not show up elsewhere.
If you go GP to lungs to heart you can waste time and things go south.
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Doc finally ordered an echo.
This is the key as EKG's, bloodwork, and others may look normal when your heart is not normal. Problem is unless you have a cardiologist you are probably not getting an echo. Echo will look at your EF and that is the real detective for finding heart issues that do not show up elsewhere.
If you go GP to lungs to heart you can waste time and things go south.
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:44 pm to Cheese Grits
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Things with heart can mask as lungs with cough and such. If the cough grows worse (and tiredness) it is fluid building up around the heart,
Is what happened to my dad. He refused to go to the doctor and his cough got worse as he became more tired. My mom found him on the floor. Suffered a cardiac arrest.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 6:50 pm to Reservoir dawg
I do believe I read something yesterday that was written by someone that knew him pretty well. He mentioned that he had been dealing with fluid around his lungs and heart for awhile. Sounds like he had a history of CHF.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:00 pm to notbilly
First off - many people have died from stroke/ heart attack due to vaccine- that is a fact- it happened to my family. Whether it was or not is to be determined- but you can't rule it out
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:25 pm to notbilly
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many of you on this board keeps pushing the vaccine bullshite with ZERO reasons to do so
You know who and what governmental entities did exactly that for two and a half years and coutning? No. frick that. We lost rights and had our country nearly ripped in half over the crap that is daily becoming more apparently lied about from the start. We get to speculate about it with exactly as much evidence as "the science" lied about over.
You don't suppress and lie to a country so long and hard like that then drag people for incidentally mentioning, hey maybe it's vaccine related since almost everything about the vaccine pushed by the MSM was a lie.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:35 pm to Houtexlandscape
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First off - many people have died from stroke/ heart attack due to vaccine- that is a fact
Keep this shite on the poli board.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:03 pm to notbilly
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We don't know shite yet too many of you on this board keeps pushing the vaccine bullshite with ZERO reasons to do so. You people do realize that people died at young ages before vaccines, right?
I'm afraid it's just a new reality. Anytime anybody famous dies. Even though roughly 2.5 million Americans between the ages of 55-64 every year were dying before the pandemic. It's just child-like and bizarre smh.
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:27 pm to Footballtimentn
the way all of this went down looks very much like a type A aortic dissection.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:47 pm to Footballtimentn
I had a quadruple bypass 6 1/2 years ago. I did not have any symptoms of chest pain or shortness of breath. I felt great. But the stress test said something different as my Widowmaker artery was 95% blocked. My cardiologist said 2 to 6 months and they would’ve found me folded up somewhere. Not saying that this is what happened to him but it could’ve been. And when the Widowmaker artery explodes, it’s over.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 9:00 pm to texag7
"to vaccine related." are u retarded?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 9:05 pm to Footballtimentn
Pneumonia is very taxing on your whole body including your heart which has to work harder to move oxygen around. It's definitely a contributing factor.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 9:50 pm to notbilly
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vaccine bullshite
Ironic since most deaths the previous two years were Covid pushed bullshite
Posted on 12/13/22 at 10:10 pm to Cheese Grits
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If it was CHF and correctly diagnosed we would not have lost him so soon
CHF is a death sentence according to a 3.99 GPA Ph.D I know who has spent her entire career in hypertension and heart related research.
I guess it depends on what stage the heart disease is in. Some people die young and some live to be over 100. There are no hard and fast rules and to make a blanket statement that if CHF was correctly diagnosed CML would have lived longer is irresponsible (particularly if you're a medical professional.)
Posted on 12/13/22 at 10:41 pm to Cheese Grits
If he had some type of cardiomyopathy he may have had a malignant arrhythmia. This may not have been preventable.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 6:33 am to Red Stick Tigress
I am saying that diagnosing correctly, quicker is better
Had a friend who was incorrectly diagnosed for at least 6 months or more and was told they should have died the last month. With proper diagnosis, medicine, diet, and exercise they are still here.
From what I understand the heart muscle is a muscle and can be "exercised" but part of the damage can not be taken back to where they were and that age will make it degrade over time. The issue was a EF of 80% had damaged to single digits and now the best recovery may be 40% to 50%. Apparently the damage was viral (not necessarily c19 or vaccine so don't start that argument) and caught earlier the damage may have been lessened.
40% to 50% may not sound terrible for a person in their 80's but for somebody in their 40's it sure does.
Are you saying this is incorrect?
Had a friend who was incorrectly diagnosed for at least 6 months or more and was told they should have died the last month. With proper diagnosis, medicine, diet, and exercise they are still here.
From what I understand the heart muscle is a muscle and can be "exercised" but part of the damage can not be taken back to where they were and that age will make it degrade over time. The issue was a EF of 80% had damaged to single digits and now the best recovery may be 40% to 50%. Apparently the damage was viral (not necessarily c19 or vaccine so don't start that argument) and caught earlier the damage may have been lessened.
40% to 50% may not sound terrible for a person in their 80's but for somebody in their 40's it sure does.
Are you saying this is incorrect?
Posted on 12/14/22 at 7:51 am to Cheese Grits
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quote:I have plenty of questions. One I have been wondering about is sleep apnea, with his body weight and age, that can put great strain on the heart and with his lifestyle (coaching) may have thought bad sleep was part of the job.
This. I know/have known several people who have had both sleep apnea and heart problems.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:28 am to Cheese Grits
An EF in the 80's could actually be concerning. One of those numbers where higher isn't always better.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:29 am to Deacon Reds
I am not a doctor, just around lots of old people who get sick and die
As an observer, it seems like a "Death Triangle"
Sugar (and why I have been pointing out lungs vs heart)
Lung issues are often treated with steroids and antibiotics which can send your sugar way up and bloating can be attributed to the steroids and hide the true culprit of fluid buildup around the heart
Sleep (many younger and thinner folks have undiagnosed sleep apnea)
This can be odd as we may think we are sleeping all through the night but actually "stop breathing" so many times an hour. Often undetected because folks they have slept all night when in fact have not. Sleep score of 30 "stops per hour" are not good and I have known some over 50 to have a score of 70 (very bad) and not be aware
Heart (muscle vs parts - valves and such vs arteries)
Muscle is muscle but damage can lower how much muscle can be restored
vs
Parts (like a valve) can be undetected but can be replaced
vs
Arteries (blockages) can be opened and returned to where you were in 3 to 6 months
If this is not a correct observation please educate us average folks and if possible where you knowledge comes from. Also, I am a big fan of preventative health care and early detection so having an oximeter (measures oxygen) at bedside (costs 20 - 40 bucks at drugstore or grocery) to measure oxygen is a handy tool.
As an observer, it seems like a "Death Triangle"
Sugar (and why I have been pointing out lungs vs heart)
Lung issues are often treated with steroids and antibiotics which can send your sugar way up and bloating can be attributed to the steroids and hide the true culprit of fluid buildup around the heart
Sleep (many younger and thinner folks have undiagnosed sleep apnea)
This can be odd as we may think we are sleeping all through the night but actually "stop breathing" so many times an hour. Often undetected because folks they have slept all night when in fact have not. Sleep score of 30 "stops per hour" are not good and I have known some over 50 to have a score of 70 (very bad) and not be aware
Heart (muscle vs parts - valves and such vs arteries)
Muscle is muscle but damage can lower how much muscle can be restored
vs
Parts (like a valve) can be undetected but can be replaced
vs
Arteries (blockages) can be opened and returned to where you were in 3 to 6 months
If this is not a correct observation please educate us average folks and if possible where you knowledge comes from. Also, I am a big fan of preventative health care and early detection so having an oximeter (measures oxygen) at bedside (costs 20 - 40 bucks at drugstore or grocery) to measure oxygen is a handy tool.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:40 am to silverstreak
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An EF in the 80's could actually be concerning. One of those numbers where higher isn't always better.
If I understand EF's it declines with age. If you look at exercise machines the better ones seems to have ranges for HR based on age. EF seem to be similar (at least to layman) in that no matter how fit or healthy you are, your EF's naturally decline with age or lifestyle. A professional boxer may be high due to training and overall fitness. When I see Herschel Walker on TV I know how old he is how fit he still looks, so guessing (if he is not on steroids) his genetics and training are well above norms. Same for Bo Jackson who (if stories are believed) never used his training equipment, he just was genetically gifted.
In non human athletes, Secretariat may have been the unicorn. Born with a much larger heart (so able to process oxygen) that dominated their peers. While a long and active stud duty continued after retirement from the track, he was never able to transfer that gene to his offspring.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:45 am to texag7
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From prior unknown issues to vaccine related.
Was Leach even vaxxed?
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