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re: Leach will go to the College Football Hall of Fame after all
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:30 am to Bigbens42
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:30 am to Bigbens42
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He should get in for his offensive contributions to the game of football alone. His fingerprints are all over football
That is actually a great point and I retract my earlier statement. Whether I like the changes or not - Leach indeed left a lasting impact on the offensive game.
His concepts were all born out of lack and being out-manned, but whatever the reason, they took off.
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:36 am to John Casey
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Les Miles is now eligible again, after previously suing LSU to get wins re-instated to be HOF eligible and failing.
The 37 vacated wins dropped Miles' overall record from 145-73, a winning percentage of .665, to 108-73, a winning percentage of .597. Coaches must have a career winning percentage of .600 in at least 100 games to qualify for selection to the College Football Hall of Fame. Miles, 70, helped LSU to a national championship in 2007 and won two SEC titles at the school. He also led programs at Oklahoma State and Kansas.
I'm not sure Les Miles should really be in anyway honestly. I know he had the NC and some good teams, but nobody really ever thought of him as some great football mind or anything else as far as being great.
And the entire suing LSU thing was also extra dumb. The guy was a .500 Big12 coach before he went to LSU, and his win% after leaving LSU for the Big10 was 14% - even w. Yes, 14% including a winless season before being fired. 5% if you only count conference games. 1 win and 16 losses.
And as far as his LSU career goes, his last 4 seasons were vacated. Not that they were great, they were all 3+ losses.
I think the reality is LSU did much more for him than he did for LSU. He was shitty without LSU and LSU was mostly good in spite of him.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:40 am to anc
Hayden Fry is in the CFB HOF with a 56% winning percentage. Why are people crying about Leach being in but not demanding the removal of Fry???
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:42 am to 3down10
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That's cool, he should be in it. The win% thing as a requirement is dumb to start with. It lacks so much context.
You have to look at the programs he took to prominence too. He took historical doormat programs and turned them into winners. He also had Mississippi State back on the upswing when we lost him.
“He only won 59% of his games!” Yeah well you should see the historical record of most of those programs before he came along.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:45 am to 3down10
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I'm not sure Les Miles should really be in anyway honestly. I know he had the NC and some good teams, but nobody really ever thought of him as some great football mind or anything else as far as being great.
1 National Championship
2 National Championship Appearances
2 SEC Championships
3 SEC Championship Appearances
Make Oklahoma State relevant again
He's qualified to be in the Hall of Fame, based on his success at Oklahoma State and LSU.
Time will tell if the off the field issues at LSU or the failure at Kansas will keep him out.
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 11:49 am
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:50 am to Riggle
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59.5 at WSU,MSU, and TTU is impressive by history
If you get to 59.5 at a school like Vandy you deserve a statue at the HOF. If you’re below 80% at a blue blood you don’t deserve to be in.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:52 am to Bigbens42
Exactly. Dr Tom Osborne took a Nebraska program already humming and kept it going. Same with Switzer at OU.
What the Pirate did at those three bottom dwellers is impressive as heck. Much more difficult.
What the Pirate did at those three bottom dwellers is impressive as heck. Much more difficult.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:09 pm to anc
Since 59.5% easily rounds up to 60%, I don't view this as a change. I'm sure the technical cutoff says no rounding up, but it's not like they changed it to 49.5%.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:14 pm to anc
Everyone but that piece of shite Craig James supports this.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:18 pm to John Casey
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Oklahoma State
He was .500 in the Big12, and his best season was 9-4 while finishing 3rd in his division.
I get that it's Oklahoma St so there should be some expected losses etc. But I think you are putting way too much into that. He had a slightly better record than the guy before him, but he was also OC for those teams.
If Les Miles never goes to LSU, he's not in this discussion at all. There is no way the man could build a program. He was best known for bad clock management, eating grass and saying weird shite in interviews.
The man is supposed to be an offensive based coach, yet his offenses at LSU weren't really that great and it was the defenses run by people he hired that shined due to talent.
And yes, he has a NC at LSU. But lets be honest, it was on a 2 loss season in which he was very fortunate to have things fall his way. It wasn't because he created some dominate team or anything.
I don't vote for these things, but I never felt like Les Miles was the real reason for the LSU success.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:27 pm to anc
I think it's dumb to have a winning percentage criteria when all schools aren't the same. This isn't like pro sports where everything is equal.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:34 pm to 3down10
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The win% thing as a requirement is dumb to start with. It lacks so much context.
I feel like that could be a valid criteria in the pros where theoretically teams have even resources. That just isn't the case in college football. 60% would be fireable at programs like Ohio St but would be considered successful at bottom dwelling programs. You can't treat winning % across the board the same way program to program. A blanket criteria for coaches like that ignores this and punishes program builders like Leach and Schnellenberger
There's also a lot more experimentation with offense and defense philosophies in college, lesser programs have to be creative in their approach to be competitive with programs with more resources to make up for the talent gap, not really the case in the pros.
This feels like they changed it specifically for Leach, but honestly they should just drop the winning % requirement altogether and actually examine it on a case by case basis.
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:39 pm to anc
Next in.... Les Miles.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:46 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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I hope people never forget the radically unethical treatment given to Coach Leach by Texas Tech and Craig James.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:56 pm to 3down10
Love seeing obviously right decisions being made. Leach's fingerprints are all over the modern era of college football, plus he was enough of a character to belong based on that alone.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:59 pm to anc
The downvoter can meet me at Sonic.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:07 pm to Lonnie Utah
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This will be known as the Mike Leach Rule
Meaning you must have a winning percentage of 59.5% and must have passed away while being an active HC?
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:36 pm to Riggle
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59.5 at WSU,MSU, and TTU is impressive by history
Texas Tech had 2, 9 win seasons in the 20 years and averaged about 5 wins a season. Leach never had less than 7 wins in his 10 years there and had 9 wins 5 out of the 10 seasons and had 11 wins in 2008, only the second time in school history that happened.
Washington State was 9-40 the four years before he got there. He went 55-47 at WSU in his 8 years with 25 of those losses coming in his first three years while he rebuilt. In 2018 he took them to their only 11 win season in history.
He went into some of the toughest places in College Football to win and had them in the Championship discussion. This is a great move to allow him the access to the HOF that he deserves.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:52 pm to RolltidePA
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This is a great move to allow him the access to the HOF that he deserves.
If he never broke the 60% mark and was still coaching... would this be a topic? NO.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:24 pm to anc
IMHO, it’s an arbitrary and myopic criterion.
If you are a HOF-worthy coach, your winning percentage can easily be one of the most deceptive metrics.
Using this, Howard Shnellenberger is nowhere near worthy of consideration, but the following are:
- Dennis Franchione
- Rich Rodriguez
- Bert Bielema
- Bo Pelini
- Gus Malzahn
- Larry Coker
- Frank Solich
Not all, but there are a lot of coaches with high winning percentages that inherited their programs.
This criterion categorically eliminates guys like Schnellenberger and Leach that turned cellar dwellers into contenders.
If you are a HOF-worthy coach, your winning percentage can easily be one of the most deceptive metrics.
Using this, Howard Shnellenberger is nowhere near worthy of consideration, but the following are:
- Dennis Franchione
- Rich Rodriguez
- Bert Bielema
- Bo Pelini
- Gus Malzahn
- Larry Coker
- Frank Solich
Not all, but there are a lot of coaches with high winning percentages that inherited their programs.
This criterion categorically eliminates guys like Schnellenberger and Leach that turned cellar dwellers into contenders.
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