John Casey
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| Registered on: | 11/25/2016 |
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re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 11:12 pm
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This is a dumb hypothetical because you’re trying to compare a coach going into his 2nd year with one going into his 4th. Those aren’t the same thing and I’m not sure why you can’t understand that.
And you are trying to compare the past to the present.
Brian Kelly is still the LSU coach. It doesn't matter if his buyout was $90 million 3 years ago. He didn't get fired and the buyout wasn't paid.
All that matters is what the buyout is currently.
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re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 10:42 pm
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He’s not going 4-8. But if he goes 10-3 (no playoffs) and 9-4 (no playoffs) in his next 2 years like BK did, it will very much matter what year of the contract it is
If the wheels fell off in 2025 for Alabama and LSU and the head coach needed to be fired, which school would owe more money?
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 10:28 pm
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What? You’re honestly going to argue that it doesn’t matter what year the contract is in?
If DeBoer goes 4-8 in 2025, do you think he is guaranteed to be back in 2026?
Kelly wasn't fired in the years the buyout was absurdly high. All that matters is what is in the contract going forward.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 10:01 pm
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I’m not sure you understand how buyouts work. BK has a 2yr head start on DeBoer and his buyout is only slightly smaller right now.
This doesn't matter. The buyout is the buyout, and it's currently 4th highest in SEC.
LSU and Kelly was always going to be a 4 or 5 year marriage. The buyout, as it currently stands, is in line with where LSU is as a program.
Kelly's buyout is not all that different from the 10th highest buyout in the country of Matt Rhule's $55 million heading into 2025.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 7:59 pm
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Kirby, Sark and Debour have all won big games. Kirby may have beat you-know-who in one
LSU is 4th best program in SEC. They have 4th highest contract buyout. Seems about right.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 7:40 pm
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Brian Kelly's buyout with LSU is a substantial $61,738,333 according to the Daily Advertiser. This buyout is second-highest in the SEC, only behind Kirby Smart of Georgia. The buyout is structured to be paid in monthly installments over the remaining term of his contract, which runs through December 31, 2031.
No longer 2nd highest
Kirby ($118 mil), DeBoer ($70 mil), and Sark ($64 mil) are all higher than Kelly ($62 mil) heading into 2025 season.
Seems about right on the SEC hierarchy.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 6:34 pm
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Scott Woodward will give them a $100 million dollar contract that is 90% guaranteed.
And the contract is now a bargain, relatively speaking.
Woodward just needs to fight the urge to give an extension/raise if Kelly makes the playoff, this season. That was the mistake that A&M made after the COVID season.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 1:11 pm
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You asked if Sarkisian would keep his job, not if he was great. Who has said Sarkisian is great other than you?
Both Kelly and Sarkisian have made the playoffs twice. Sarkisian has made it the last two years in a row while Kelly has made it once in the last six.
No one will consider either great unless they win multiple national championships.
Great was the wrong word choice. That's my bad.
I would just expect Sark to start catching a lot of heat much like Kelly did if he continues to lose semifinal matchups.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 12:41 pm
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If he continues to win 10-12 games most seasons and makes the playoffs at least a couple more times, yes
So Brian Kelly at Notre Dame is considered great and acceptable if this is the standard?
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 11:53 am
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So you believe that Chad Morris or Deshaun Foster are the same as Kirk Ferentz or Steve Sarkisian?
Do you believe Steve Sarkisian will still be the Texas coach if he doesn't deliver a national championship in the next 5 years?
re: Is there a world where LSU goes into Clemson and beats the brakes off of them?
Posted by John Casey on 6/14/25 at 7:57 am
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Is there a world where LSU goes into Clemson and beats the brakes off of them?
Clemson hasn't been blown out at home since they lost to Jameis Winston and #5 FSU in 2013 when they lost 51-14.
The only other double digit loss at home for Clemson since then was a 12 point loss to Louisville in 2024.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 11:32 pm
Any coach at a big time program without a national championship is the same, IMO.
There's Kirby, Dabo, and Day and then there's everyone else.
Zero national championships
Zero national championships
Zero FBS national championships
Never coached in college and zero national championships
Zero national championships
Zero national championships
Zero FBS national championships
There's Kirby, Dabo, and Day and then there's everyone else.
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Lanning has a conference championship, a playoff appearance and a NY6 bowl win.
Zero national championships
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Sarkisian has a conference championship, an additional conference championship game appearance, two playoff appearances in a row
Zero national championships
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Deboer has a conference championship and a playoff win.
Zero FBS national championships
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Bellichick is a head scratcher but he has won Super Bowls.
Never coached in college and zero national championships
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Riley has underperformed and is on the hot seat.
Zero national championships
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Deon is a marketing/media personality more than a football coach.
Zero national championships
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Kelly has a division championship. If he doesn’t make the playoffs this season he will be in trouble. If he does make the playoffs then he will likely retire at LSU.
Zero FBS national championships
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 11:29 pm
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major bowl win
Who gives a frick about bowl wins in this day and age?
There are championship level coaches and there aren't.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 9:33 pm
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Nope, he is gonna frick LSU. And it only costs $10 million per season.
So pretty much the same as every other coach at premier programs?
Kelly is barely in the top 10 highest paid coaches, annually, now. I think he's the 10th highest paid head coach in 2025.
Coaches without championships ahead of Kelly:
Deion Sanders
Bill Belichick
Kalen DeBoer
Lincoln Riley
Steve Sarkisian
Dan Lanning
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To include Top 20 salaries heading into 2025. Looks like Norvell is also paid more than Kelly.
re: If you are in the white car - what would you do?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 8:41 pm
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What should happen to people who dangerously block the road?
They should be charged with terrorism.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 8:17 pm
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interesting fact. The Cincinnati Bearcats have as many college football playoff appearances as the LSU Tigers.
I hate to be the one to do it, since I've been defending Kelly in this thread, but It is pretty funny that the reason why Cincinnati got into that playoff is because they beat #9 ranked Notre Dame (and Brian Kelly) in South Bend and that loss also kept Notre Dame (and Brian Kelly) out of the playoffs.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 6:33 pm
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Freeman did not achieve some level that Kelly did not achieve at Notre Dame.
Don’t be intellectually dishonest like Sidewalk.
Level achieved by Freeman: Loss in National Championship game to more talented team in 3rd season.
Level achieved by Kelly: Loss in National Championship game to more talented team in 3rd season.
Where is the dishonesty?
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 6:00 pm
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It doesn’t matter dude, they got to the post season. They beat common opponents you lost against. Turn your wheels all you want.
In 2024-25, Freeman and Notre Dame had a better single season than Kelly and LSU.
Freeman did not achieve some level that Kelly did not achieve at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is in no different a situation than it was in the last few years of Kelly.
Kelly is easy to dislike and Freeman is easy to like. All the sports media had to do was let things play out naturally instead of overselling Freeman and everything about Notre Dame's success in the 2024 season.
The national sports media are doing a disservice to Freeman by playing him up so much and claiming he is so much better than Kelly and doing things Kelly couldn't do.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 5:45 pm
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That’s like setting the bar really high for Freeman to impress you, and cutting BK a lot of slack in his bar to impress.
Shouldn’t they be equal-ish?
Seems like I am setting the bar too low if all I am expecting is for Freeman to have a 2nd season of playoff contention to just match the level of Kelly's success at Notre Dame when the headlines from the very first post of this thread are:
Marcus Freeman Is Doing What Brian Kelly Couldn't at Notre Dame: Building a True Power
Marcus Freeman is taking Notre Dame football to another level. The Irish win big games now.
re: Notre Dame takes shots at Brian Kelly for no reason?
Posted by John Casey on 6/13/25 at 4:39 pm
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Don’t say QB1 tho, say Beck bc it’s funny how you think he would have beat ND
Beck had been playing pretty well after the Ole Miss loss with 11 TDs and no INTs in the games vs Tennessee, UMass, and Ga Tech. He then got hurt in the SEC Championship.
I'm just not ready to say Freeman is better for Notre Dame than Kelly until I see him put together a 2nd strong season.
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