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re: Kevin Sumlin > Jimbo
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:00 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:00 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Big time. Grass is not always greener just across the street, takes a little while to get there. But in my world grass is always greener on the other side cause I work in an office doing some inspections and I will jump to the next best thing that keeps me busy and interested : )
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:02 pm to EKG
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My point was: There’s a reason Woodward moved Heaven and Earth to hire Fisher.
Most of us are willing to give Coach Fisher time to implement his ways.
Two years is kinda unreasonable.
Fair point.
Sumlin's isn't elite, but A&M wasn't totally horrible either. I'm not saying Fisher needs to be fired but data shows he hasn't improved the program either.
Saban is the GOAT but just as reference: he won The SEC his second year at LSU, barely lost the Championship game to a great Florida team his second year at Bama. Meyer won a NC his second year at Florida. I think Stoops also won NC year 2 at OU. Orgeron, everyone´s favorite joke, won it year 3, posted a final Top 10 team year 2. IT CAN BE DONE.
Fisher is getting paid elite money and hasn't delivered elite results. There is no hiding from that.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:07 pm to EKG
I just don't understand why you're bragging about breaking the bank for a coach who was on the decline at a much better program in FSU. They were getting smaller and smaller in Clemson's rearview mirror
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:07 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Considering he’s had two top 5 classes in his first two years...yes?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:16 pm to Mithridates6
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I just don't understand why you're bragging about breaking the bank for a coach who was on the decline at a much better program in FSU. They were getting smaller and smaller in Clemson's rearview mirror
You misunderstood my point (or I failed at conveying it).
I didn’t break the bank; our AD did.
And he knew what he was doing.
You can rewrite history all you want, but anyone (outside of Alabama and Clemson) would’ve jumped at the opportunity Woodward created.
You shouldn’t expect a head coach to walk into a program (without any of his players) and win the conference from the start.
That’s not to say there aren’t outliers who’ve managed to do it, but they typically aren’t in divisions with the likes of Alabama, LSU, and Auburn.
There’s no reason for me to debate this anymore.
I’ve said my peace, and you’re certainly welcome to your opinion.
Have a good one!
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:22 pm to EKG
LSU didn't and I'm glad for that. Jimbo wasn't worth that much in 2017. I didn't like Herman either, but I'd have preferred him over Fisher. I hope that Woodward has learned from his mistake or that he was pressured into it by Aggy boosters
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
A disaster? Really? LOL
No it's not. I actually have our regular season record at 9-3 with a bowl win (10-3 overall). If that plays out, would be only our second 10 win season in the last 20 years or so. I think folks forget just how irrelevant we have been over most of our history.
To build a program, you have to recruit, and that takes time. The SEC West is not what it was when Saban arrived. He has transformed this division into what it is now and the commitment required to win here. If Jimbo is unsuccessful at A&M then that won't even be a disaster either because $75M is a lot of money for a coach, but it's not a lot of money for A&M. We will find another guy and pay him $10M. Then we'll come to the rant and find threads started about his salary too.
No it's not. I actually have our regular season record at 9-3 with a bowl win (10-3 overall). If that plays out, would be only our second 10 win season in the last 20 years or so. I think folks forget just how irrelevant we have been over most of our history.
To build a program, you have to recruit, and that takes time. The SEC West is not what it was when Saban arrived. He has transformed this division into what it is now and the commitment required to win here. If Jimbo is unsuccessful at A&M then that won't even be a disaster either because $75M is a lot of money for a coach, but it's not a lot of money for A&M. We will find another guy and pay him $10M. Then we'll come to the rant and find threads started about his salary too.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:50 pm to sand mountainDvalues
I wonder if Sumlin has either because Sherman recruited both of them.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:27 pm to r2d2
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Saban is the GOAT but just as reference: he won The SEC his second year at LSU, barely lost the Championship game to a great Florida team his second year at Bama. Meyer won a NC his second year at Florida. I think Stoops also won NC year 2 at OU. Orgeron, everyone´s favorite joke, won it year 3, posted a final Top 10 team year 2. IT CAN BE DONE.
Mack Brown didn't win a conference championship from 1985-2004. He finally won a conference and national title in year 8 at t.u. (it took him 4 years to win 10 games in a season).
Dabo Swinney took 4 years to win a conference title (it was also his first 10 win season) and 8 years to win his first national title.
It took Bobby Bowden 17 years to win a National Title.
It took Tom Osborne 22 years to win a National Title.
It took Bear Bryant 4 years to win a conference and national title at Alabama.
Oh, and Kevin Sumlin? He has been a head coach for 12 years and has NEVER won a conference title of any kind.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:58 pm to r2d2
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Fisher is getting paid elite money and hasn't delivered elite results. There is no hiding from that.
Depends on where you are looking.
Jimbo is doing MUCH better at recruiting than Sumlin did on average. In fact Jimbo is having the most success recruiting than any coach in A&M history if we go by the rankings.
The rankings aren't always right but they usually are and they are pointing to A&M having a more talented roster than was possible under Sumlin. Eventually those recruiting results have to translate to the field, but if it was possible for A&M to have consistent top 10 classes year ago for $7.5 million a year we would have hit that button a LONG time ago.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:05 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Sumlin won 66% of his games at A&M, a 60% program historically (and they were in a much weaker conference, the SWC, for most of that time), they should build a statue of him
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:07 pm to skyfall
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No it's not. I actually have our regular season record at 9-3 with a bowl win
By year 3 Saban won the NC at both LSU and Bama
By year 3 Urban had won an NC at Florida and Ohio State
2019 was O’s 3rd year and he won the NC
By year 3 Spurrier had Florida winning bigger than they had ever won in their history.
Mullen is going into year 3 and Florida and has turned them around. He had Moo State playing a lot better by then as well.
By year 3 Hugh Freeze had Ole Miss in the NY6
I could go on and on and on. If you haven’t started winning big by year 3, especially with the soft schedule you have next year at A&M, it’s fair to question if you ever will. And it’s fair to wonder if A&M can hire a better coach that Jimbo, or at least a more accomplished one.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:32 pm to Mithridates6
On the decline? Not even sure you took the time to even wiki Jimbo's tenure at FSU.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:38 pm to TouchDownThere
Jimbo hasn't lost fewer than 3 games in a season since 2013. His 2014 team was undefeated and only seeded 3 in the playoff bc of how shaky they looked and they proceeded to get waxed by Oregon. Clemson had clearly overtaken them in the ACC. He was 5-6 in his last season at FSU when yall broke the bank. I've literally met no FSU fans who miss him. Aggy is as Aggy does I guess 
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Years 3-5 will be the test for Jimbo. Soft OOC schedule for the next 2 years gives you no excuses not to snag 9 wins each season. If aggies think 10 wins is a given next season they havent watched the Bama/LSU/Auburn games lately.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:45 pm to agswin
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:47 pm to Mithridates6
2012-2018 LSU had 3 or more losses each season. Soooo does LSU suck during this time frame? All that talent on those teams but nothing to really show for it. See what I did there?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:51 pm to TouchDownThere
I'm saying that FSU was on the decline, Clemson took the conference mantle from them. What does that have to do with LSU?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:54 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Horrible troll attempt.
Jimbo wins a national title with Manziel and Sumlin is fired 3 years sooner w/o him and all you dummies know it.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:56 pm to TouchDownThere
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