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re: John Wooden or Paul "Bear" Bryant
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:46 pm to bamascott2
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:46 pm to bamascott2
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Then give some names of coaches in CFB that are "close" to Bryant.
Bowden did some ridiculous shite. What was it top 5 for 10 years or something? The coaches from The U in the 80's and 90's were sick. Bear is still the best these guys are just "close".
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Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:51 pm to Marines4Auburn
I think its dumb to compare bball coaches and football coaches.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:52 pm to dockstar99
Wooden
Posted on 6/5/10 at 12:59 pm to Marines4Auburn
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What was it top 5 for 10 years or something?
14 straight years. Amazing run but the ACC was very weak back then, even worse than it today. Now, Florida State's OOC schedule was always extremely tough which made up for it but being in such a weak conference does put a damper on his accomplishments a little. His teams were also always heavily penalized which indicates a lack of discipline. Also, the guy did a lot of scummy things such as writing a letter for the early release of a convicted rapist, placing no emphasis on the classroom, the free shoes scandal and a laundry list of other things. As for the Miami coaches being on Bryant's level
. Outside of Jimmy Johnson, NONE of them accomplished jackshit after leaving the U. The Miami program made all of those coaches not the other way around.Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:00 pm to Cheetah Flex
Wooden in a landslide IMO.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:00 pm to dockstar99
Wooden.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:10 pm to mcpotiger
So can anybody address my point on how Wooden starts winning championships left and right after doing nothing for fifteen years? I look at other great coaches and there's usually a pattern to their success. They either start winning right away or accomplished great things in their prior stops or showed steady signs of improvement while building up their program. I don't see any of those things with Wooden. It was just instant success out of the blue...
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:37 pm to Bench McElroy
Apples and oranges
Both are great in their chosen sport!
Both are great in their chosen sport!
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:39 pm to Bench McElroy
Wooden's ten worst teams:
14-12, 0.538 ('59-'60)
19-12, 0.613 ('51-'52)
16-10, 0.615 ('57-'58)
18-11, 0.621 ('61-'62)
16-9, 0.640 ('58-'59)
19-10, 0.655 ('50-'51)
16-8, 0.667 ('52-'53)
20-9, 0.690 ('62-'63)
18-8, 0.692 ('60-'61)
22-7, 0.759 ('48-'49)
Total: 178-96, 0.650
College total: 363-82, 0.816
Undefeated teams - 4
1-loss teams - 3
2-loss teams - 2
27 of his 29 years of college coaching were at UCLA.
UCLA record: 316-68, 0.823
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Bryant's ten worst teams:
1-9-0, 0.100 (1954)
6-5-1, 0.542 (1970)
6-5-0, 0.545 (1969)
5-4-2, 0.545 (1952)
5-4-1, 0.550 (1958)
5-3-2, 0.600 (1948)
8-4-0, 0.667 (1982)
8-4-0, 0.667 (1951)
7-3-0, 0.700 (1946)
6-2-1, 0.722 (1945)
Total: 57-43-7, 0.564
College total: 323-85-17, 0.780
Undefeated teams - 4
1-loss teams - 11
2-loss teams - 9
25 of his 38 years of college coaching were at Bama.
Bama record: 232-46-9, 0.824
Please note that each coach's winning percentage at the school they're most closely associated with is virtually identical, with a slight edge to Bryant.
As much as you can possibly compare coaches in different sports, it's pretty much a wash, IMO.
14-12, 0.538 ('59-'60)
19-12, 0.613 ('51-'52)
16-10, 0.615 ('57-'58)
18-11, 0.621 ('61-'62)
16-9, 0.640 ('58-'59)
19-10, 0.655 ('50-'51)
16-8, 0.667 ('52-'53)
20-9, 0.690 ('62-'63)
18-8, 0.692 ('60-'61)
22-7, 0.759 ('48-'49)
Total: 178-96, 0.650
College total: 363-82, 0.816
Undefeated teams - 4
1-loss teams - 3
2-loss teams - 2
27 of his 29 years of college coaching were at UCLA.
UCLA record: 316-68, 0.823
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Bryant's ten worst teams:
1-9-0, 0.100 (1954)
6-5-1, 0.542 (1970)
6-5-0, 0.545 (1969)
5-4-2, 0.545 (1952)
5-4-1, 0.550 (1958)
5-3-2, 0.600 (1948)
8-4-0, 0.667 (1982)
8-4-0, 0.667 (1951)
7-3-0, 0.700 (1946)
6-2-1, 0.722 (1945)
Total: 57-43-7, 0.564
College total: 323-85-17, 0.780
Undefeated teams - 4
1-loss teams - 11
2-loss teams - 9
25 of his 38 years of college coaching were at Bama.
Bama record: 232-46-9, 0.824
Please note that each coach's winning percentage at the school they're most closely associated with is virtually identical, with a slight edge to Bryant.
As much as you can possibly compare coaches in different sports, it's pretty much a wash, IMO.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:43 pm to bamascott2
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bamascott2
good show there man.
how many years did both men coach in total? considering how many more games you can fit into ONE year in basketball, it's almost unfair to compare the two sports. for example, say you have SUPER uber badass team you put together. if you get to play 100 games that year, and win like 95 of them... then that's 95 wins for your W column, but all with one team.
so to compare is really silly imho.
This post was edited on 6/5/10 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:55 pm to Bench McElroy
another bama circle jerk thread.....shocking
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:57 pm to Choctaw
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another bama circle jerk thread.....shocking
another jerk making a pointless remark... also shocking.
This post was edited on 6/5/10 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:59 pm to m2pro
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how many years did both men coach in total?
Wooden coached 11 years of high school ball, 29 years of college. Bear coached 38 years, all at the college level.
Wooden's non-UCLA college record was 47-14 (0.778). His 11 year high school record was 218-42 (0.838).
Bryant's non-Bama college record was 91-39-8 (0.679). The 1-9 Junction Boys record at aTm in the 50's mars a fantastic overall record.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 1:59 pm to bamascott2
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John Wooden or Paul "Bear" Bryant
Wooden's ten worst teams:
14-12, 0.538 ('59-'60)
19-12, 0.613 ('51-'52)
16-10, 0.615 ('57-'58)
18-11, 0.621 ('61-'62)
16-9, 0.640 ('58-'59)
19-10, 0.655 ('50-'51)
16-8, 0.667 ('52-'53)
20-9, 0.690 ('62-'63)
18-8, 0.692 ('60-'61)
22-7, 0.759 ('48-'49)
Total: 178-96, 0.650
College total: 363-82, 0.816
Undefeated teams - 4
1-loss teams - 3
2-loss teams - 2
27 of his 29 years of college coaching were at UCLA.
UCLA record: 316-68, 0.823
-------------------------------------
Bryant's ten worst teams:
1-9-0, 0.100 (1954)
6-5-1, 0.542 (1970)
6-5-0, 0.545 (1969)
5-4-2, 0.545 (1952)
5-4-1, 0.550 (1958)
5-3-2, 0.600 (1948)
8-4-0, 0.667 (1982)
8-4-0, 0.667 (1951)
7-3-0, 0.700 (1946)
6-2-1, 0.722 (1945)
Total: 57-43-7, 0.564
College total: 323-85-17, 0.780
Undefeated teams - 4
1-loss teams - 11
2-loss teams - 9
25 of his 38 years of college coaching were at Bama.
Bama record: 232-46-9, 0.824
Please note that each coach's winning percentage at the school they're most closely associated with is virtually identical, with a slight edge to Bryant.
As much as you can possibly compare coaches in different sports, it's pretty much a wash, IMO.
You realize that almost every single year in football there is an undefeated or 1 loss team. You rarely ever see that in college basketball. How many titles does each coach have(note: Wooden's were all undisputed and not voted on or shared).
Posted on 6/5/10 at 2:01 pm to Choctaw
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another bama circle jerk thread.....shocking
Two words...
Les. Miles.
Not one to circle jerk about, is he?
Posted on 6/5/10 at 2:05 pm to mb711
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You realize that almost every single year in football there is an undefeated or 1 loss team. You rarely ever see that in college basketball. How many titles does each coach have(note: Wooden's were all undisputed and not voted on or shared).
I understand that. However, that does not diminish how hard an undefeated record is to acheive, even in football.
You realize that Florida has never had one.
Auburn has had one since the early 90's.
LSU's last undefeated team was in 1958.
See what I mean?
Posted on 6/5/10 at 2:09 pm to bamascott2
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Two words...
Les. Miles.
Not one to circle jerk about, is he?
2 SEC West titles (soon to be 3), an SEC championship, a National championship, 51 wins in 5 years....i'll take it.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 2:10 pm to Choctaw
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2 SEC West titles (soon to be 3), an SEC championship, a National championship, 51 wins in 5 years....i'll take it.
Posted on 6/5/10 at 3:25 pm to bamascott2
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Then give some names of coaches in CFB that are "close" to Bryant.
Rockne, Bowden, Paterno, Hayes, Robinson, Yost, Osbourne, Stagg, Warner...
Posted on 6/5/10 at 3:31 pm to Bench McElroy
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His legend was made at Alabama where he ran a clean program.
So funny in so many ways.
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