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re: Jalen Tabor says college football is "Modern Form of Slavery"
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:43 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:43 am to SammyTiger
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Is the NFL banging down the doors trying to spend money on a farm system?
Of course not because the current cost/benefit structure does not encourage it. But if the cost/benefit structure was different?
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:47 am to TxTiger82
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If they are college material they could still attend when their minor league career is over.
So if they are college material which is a big if in the world of football right now, then they could come back several years later and pay their own way. And they'd lose all the benefits the school provides it's student athletes.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:47 am to MeatPants
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He's right though. College football does have overtones of slavery
That's why the south loves and fights it against it so much. What would be wrong with giving these kids something? Why do people and fans fight so much against it.
Football is a brutal sport that does long lasting damage to body and brain and a lot of people who don't go through that make outrageous amounts of money
It's really horrible when you think about it
And please don't give me anything about the "get to go to school" you uppity mfers
God, your logic is flawed.
If the kid feels that he is a slave (which you agree with), why doesn't he quit and get a job at McDonalds? Or maybe go to JUCO and become a welder? Is it because he knows it's a better opportunity for him right now?
The kid has a choice. The slaves 150 years ago would laugh at this kid and yourself.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:48 am to SouthMSReb
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God, your logic is flawed.
If the kid feels that he is a slave (which you agree with), why doesn't he quit and get a job at McDonalds? Or maybe go to JUCO and become a welder? Is it because he knows it's a better opportunity for him right now?
The kid has a choice. The slaves 150 years ago would laugh at this kid and yourself.
he could also just quit the football team and cover his own way through college if you wanted.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:49 am to TxTiger82
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t could they get that training elsewhere if viable alternative markets (to use roadGator's phrase) actually existed? Likely, they would get BETTER training because they would be professionals or semi-professionals and not bound by NCAA practice limitations.
What's stopping you or anybody from taking advantage of their "true" market value and starting some league or other option since their value is so high. These players USE the system to gain equity just like any other scholarship. Blame the NFL 3 year rule from preventing these players to enter the free market rather than the low risk educational path
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:52 am to oklahogjr
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And they'd lose all the benefits the school provides it's student athletes.
Yes, they would. That's the tradeoff.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:53 am to tiger in the gump
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What's stopping you or anybody from taking advantage of their "true" market value and starting some league or other option since their value is so high.
The current cost/benefit structure prevents it, of course.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:55 am to TxTiger82
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Yes, they would. That's the tradeoff.
I think the system could be improved for the kids but I don't think a minor league system is in their favor. It's a hard life for minor league baseball players.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:57 am to JesusQuintana
Jalen Tabor is reading Jayden Smith's Twitter waaaay too often with these pseudo-intellectual (ignorant) leaps
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:08 am to yaboytoococky
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He went undrafted, so basically he helped a university make millions while receiving a $40k "education." Not a fair trade.
This basically sums up the problem with modern thinking. If you think that Boyd's education wasn't the most valuable thing he has received in his life, then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:10 am to AjaxFury
The problem is that fans and players tend to look at a very select group of circumstances rather than the overall picture.
1. Jalen Tabor had to go to college to play football because no professional team is going to bring them in when they are 17-18 high school players to join the NFL. They don't want them.
2. If you go to another league you probably won't make the money. Remember the XFL? That is why they don't go.
3. Florida's tuition, the resources that go into training, the top notch coaching and training, these things prepare the good players for the NFL where they can go make money. Compare the value of what Florida provides this prick to what a minor league baseball player makes. Compare the lifestyle of Tabor to that of a minor league baseball player. Is that what he wants?
4. Most players are a dime a dozen. They aren't worth paying. Do you pay oall of them?
1. Jalen Tabor had to go to college to play football because no professional team is going to bring them in when they are 17-18 high school players to join the NFL. They don't want them.
2. If you go to another league you probably won't make the money. Remember the XFL? That is why they don't go.
3. Florida's tuition, the resources that go into training, the top notch coaching and training, these things prepare the good players for the NFL where they can go make money. Compare the value of what Florida provides this prick to what a minor league baseball player makes. Compare the lifestyle of Tabor to that of a minor league baseball player. Is that what he wants?
4. Most players are a dime a dozen. They aren't worth paying. Do you pay oall of them?
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:11 am to TxTiger82
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Saying it again won't make it true. There are no other viable routes to the NFL.
Why do they have to play in the NFL? Why not become a lawyer?
Nobody every seems to want to recognize that it isn't a right to play professional football, it's a choice, and a hard earned one which requires sacrificing short term gain.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:15 am to TxTiger82
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The current cost/benefit structure prevents it, of course
But the cost/benefit ratio in is deemed as exploitive to the point of slave comparisons. Their true market value will be realized in a semi pro type league, with NO ncaa red tape and right to sign with an agent to gain fair compensation. They're using the system with minimal investment risk on their behalf to develop and display skills to gain NFL equity. And the whole education thingy, if they don't meet the 2% lucky enough to live off NFL wages with no need to work
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:18 am to doghouse_4x4
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basically he helped a university make millions while receiving a $40k "education." Not a fair trade.
What the frick? Lots of businesses make millions. Do the employees all get paid millions? Its not like there are a bunch of fatcats sitting around chortling and making millions. Who gets paid a lot? Let's use Bama as an example. Do the Gumps think Saban would be worth paying millions? Hell yeah. Is Cyrus Jones worth millions? frick no.
These guys are preparing for another level. Any lawyers here? Did you work at firm in law school? Did you get paid a ton of money? Did the pay your law school tuition and housing? Was that firm making money? Why you were basically a slave. The difference is those lawyers recognize that their work now will pay off later but these dumbass players don't have that kind of foresight and don't get meaningful degrees.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:25 am to JesusQuintana
The race card is very powerful and has been strengthened for the last 6 or so years. He's just trying to use the nuclear option in the college football argument.
If they'd use the race card on the Marijuana argument, we'd have legalization by now.
If they'd use the race card on the Marijuana argument, we'd have legalization by now.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:26 am to dagrippa
That's not true because that's one issue that cops and prisons especially the ones in the south won't budge on.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:35 am to dagrippa
The slavery thing doesn't work. You see slaves are forced to do something but force or by being sold or traded. With no real end game.
A college athlete has the CHOICE to use his/her talents to get a free education, top notch training to further their talent and the opportunity AFTER A FREE EDUCATION to turn their love of the game into millions of dollars. If not, then they have the education to get a career.
I fricking hate selfish arse kids who don't know anything but dollars and cents. They don't appreciate the things that they are given.
I would have killed for a free education by being good at being a student. But unfortunately that doesn't always pan out and I have $50k of debt.
I didn't have a free tutor, I couldn't take the easy classes because I had a sport to rely on for potential money.
These kids won't get any sympathy from me and NO I don't think they should be paid to play. It's their choice to play. They aren't sold into it.
A college athlete has the CHOICE to use his/her talents to get a free education, top notch training to further their talent and the opportunity AFTER A FREE EDUCATION to turn their love of the game into millions of dollars. If not, then they have the education to get a career.
I fricking hate selfish arse kids who don't know anything but dollars and cents. They don't appreciate the things that they are given.
I would have killed for a free education by being good at being a student. But unfortunately that doesn't always pan out and I have $50k of debt.
I didn't have a free tutor, I couldn't take the easy classes because I had a sport to rely on for potential money.
These kids won't get any sympathy from me and NO I don't think they should be paid to play. It's their choice to play. They aren't sold into it.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:41 am to DMagic
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That's not true because that's one issue that cops and prisons especially the ones in the south won't budge on.
Politicians more than cops and I've got no reason to defend corrupt cops as we have plenty of them. However, pols are the ones who won't budge on stupid drug laws even when the population says they want reform. There's just too much money in locking people up and running them through the justice system, even if they're acquitted cities, counties, and states make money off the ordeal.
That said, law enforcement agencies at both the federal and local levels are addicted to drug busts and drug money. There's too much money for them available if they're 'tough on drugs.' RICO lets them seize cash and property and that's just too tempting a prize.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:01 am to TxTiger82
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As it is, college football perpetuates a system that takes advantage of young athletes
You do realize that this is exactly how businesses work, right? Successful businesses make millions of dollars while paying their employees a fraction of what they bring in. It is called....economics. If schools did not make that money on athletics, other sports would have to be cut. Unless it has changed, Football makes money...basketball breaks even and all other sports lose money.
I know this is horrifying to think about, but did you know NFL teams make many millions of dollars, too? That is the goal of ALL businesses.
A college gives a young athlete an education that could be worth several million dollar of his lifetime, if he chooses to take advantage of it. If the young athlete is good enough to go on to the NFL, he can do much better than that.
And there are alternatives.....the European Football League, Canadian Football League, the Arena Football League. But everybody wants to go to the NFL. can't blame them. That's where the money is. So, the young athlete that is being taken advantage of is also taking advantage of the schools, are they not? Would they go to the school if there was another way...or easier way to get to the NFL?
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:02 am to Prof
I agree it's the entire system I just didn't want to type that much tbh
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