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Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:23 pm to Moustache
He lost it after 2014. Didn't ever have a QB that could run his offense until the QB he has now at UCF.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:23 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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stories abound about his high school coaching days with boosters throwing backyard parties and kids from other NWA high schools were brought in to be recruited and stolen away
at Tulsa, he would keep throwing and scoring against weak teams to run his stats up, well into the 4th quarter. He inherited two great QB's and a good team from Steve Kragthorpe. He developed none of that shite.
I got plenty
hey Gus
This has always intrigued me, and would love to hear all the stories. Maybe this offseason you can do a thread about it Harry Rex?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:28 pm to Moustache
Recruiting. He refused to recruit OL and QB that could run his style.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:30 pm to Moustache
Kirby and Nick cried to the NCAA and ended his career. Can't really blame 'em I guess.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:32 pm to MrAUTigers
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ETA that rule change took away his mojo
There wasn't a specific rule change... refs actually just decided they didn't want to deal with it and changed their procedure manuals to specifically not accommodate super fast play. See this: Discussion Stuff like "tell the chains guys to jog, not run" etc...
If the refs won't spot the ball fast enough to prevent defensive substitutions, HUNH obviously won't be as effective. How often do you actually see defenses get stuck without a substitute now that they've adapted a bit? When Auburn was awesome at HUNH our backs would pop up and run the ball over to the ref basically getting them set up to spot the ball in something like 10 seconds between plays.
There are a couple of other misconceptions around HUNH...
(1) Back in the day CFB went from a 25 second play clock once the ball was "ready for play" to a 40 second play clock when you're down. Under the 40 second clock, the Ref is supposed to set the ball quickly and the offense can just go. This set the stage for HUNH
(2) Defenses allowed to sub specifically when the offense subs. This WAS NOT A RULE CHANGE THAT HURT HUNH - it was older and already existed. However once HUNH got big refs started to really really emphasize it and allow the defense immense amounts of time... see below
Crazy Defensive Substitution
(3) Other rule changes were proposed but didn't pass, and kind of in response to them not passing refs said "f it" and changed their procedures to slow the game down
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:32 pm to Foy
Don’t forget Bert’s fat rump adding is 1 cent as well.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:33 pm to paperwasp
SEC defenses went smaller/faster.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:34 pm to WDE24
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He the best I’ve ever seen at the mesh point with the speed/shiftiness to kill you.
Yes. He was probably better than all the Oklahoma option QB's down through the years
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:35 pm to Moustache
quote:Chad Morris could have been efficient with DMac, Felix, and Hillis. Three generational talents in the same backfield is hard to screw up.
His offenses at Arkansas with dmac/Jones and at auburn with cam were incredibly efficient.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:41 pm to wartiger2004
I'll never remember it all. Obviously most of what I know is from firsthand information from buddies here in NWA. I lived out of state for much of it, and back home for the tail end of it.
Buddies move on and we lose touch, etc.
There was even one guy who loved the Razorbacks and loved Gus as a coach, but hated his guts as a next-door neighbor
how does that happen?
Buddies move on and we lose touch, etc.
There was even one guy who loved the Razorbacks and loved Gus as a coach, but hated his guts as a next-door neighbor
how does that happen? 
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:50 pm to Moustache
Part the reason is Kiehl Frazier turned out to be a huge bust. Had to adjust
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:51 pm to ALhunter
good post
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:52 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Garry Rex Vommer
plz stfu
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:54 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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WilliamTaylor21
you idiot
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ETA: I was the one who upvoted you, dumbass
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:13 pm to Moustache
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To me it almost felt like Malzahn was trying to prove he wasn’t a gimmick and got away from what made him have some of the best offenses in the sec over his years at arky and auburn.
This! He also tried to be the smartest person in the and bring in pro style QBs to run his zone read system, thinking that the threat of the QB run would open up the pass where his pro style passer could pick them apart. The problem was that he wouldn’t run them. And his stubbornness wouldn’t allow him to revert back to the zone read. Why didn’t he bring Lamar Jackson on campus? I heard that Lamar was dying to play in Malzahn’s offense. Can you imagine Jackson in that zone read scheme? Scary.. But, he had Jeremy Johnson, who had the size of Cam, but was not Cam.
Oh, and he didn’t like to recruit offensive linemen.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:19 pm to Moustache
Rule change that allowed defense to substitute, and rules adjustments related to blockers downfield on passing Plays. Malzahn was a wiz at manipulating defenses in unconventional ways and was eventually neutralized by the rules.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:23 pm to ALhunter
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There wasn't a specific rule change... refs actually just decided they didn't want to deal with it and changed their procedure manuals to specifically not accommodate super fast play. See this: Discussion Stuff like "tell the chains guys to jog, not run" etc...
wrong
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The NCAA proposed a rule change yesterday that would kill the strength of the modern hurry-up offense by giving defensive players 10 seconds to freely substitute.
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Feb 13, 2014, 8:42pm CST
LINK
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:24 pm to MrAUTigers
In addition, more attention was given to OL blocking downfield.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:26 pm to MrAUTigers
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The play is held up so D can sub when O subs. Gus ran players in and out and trapped D's for what he wanted. The D didn't have time to sub with the HUNH.
In other words, a Mickey mouse gimmick offense like we said all along.
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